simulating systemD? [Solved]

[Pretty Vacant]

One of the main reasons i choosed for MX and not Mint is because it doesn't use systemD. Unfortunately after updating one important app this app now only functions when booting MX with systemD.
Is this a simulating systemD, or a true systemD?

[Eadwine Rose]

I'd say it is a true one, you are not in a VM running it. Though I don't know much about it.

What did your forum search on it find?

[dreamer]

It's true systemd, but I think it's somewhat downscaled compared to many other distros. Systemd seems somewhat leaner in MX.

[timkb4cq]

What app is it?
Some packages that used to install sysvinit scripts to start their daemons are now omitting them since almost every distro uses systemd services instead. Those scripts can usually be reinstated,

[Pretty Vacant]

hold on

[Eadwine Rose]

hold on

*holds you ever so tightly*

[BV206]

It's true systemd, but I think it's somewhat downscaled compared to many other distros. Systemd seems somewhat leaner in MX.

To me something is not right about this.
On Debian (in a VM) I sometimes get systemd security updates and I can upgrade to their latest backports version of systemd but not on MX. That seems to me like a big security vulnerability but wth do I know.

Nobody answered my questions about it in this post. (edit: For almost a month, until right after I posted this.)
viewtopic.php?t=83475

[dreamer]

It's true systemd, but I think it's somewhat downscaled compared to many other distros. Systemd seems somewhat leaner in MX.

To me something is not right about this.
On Debian (in a VM) I sometimes get systemd security updates and I can upgrade to their latest backports version of systemd but not on MX. That seems to me like a big security vulnerability but wth do I know.

Nobody answered my questions about it in this post.
viewtopic.php?t=83475

I don't know if it is a security vulnerability or not, but it's a symptom of a difficult to maintain system. For whatever it is worth some thoughts related to that:

I do believe the mx devs are working day and night and that they are very good at what they do.

However I feel some frustration regarding desktop Linux in general and especially MX Linux since that is the distro I use and prefer.

My concern is that things have become too difficult. They always were, but now is a different time. People don't have infinite time to learn new things. If they have time to install Linux then it's good enough. People don't have time for forum activity any more (or is it lack of interest?).

We have BIOS, UEFI, SysVinit, systemd, gtk3, qt5, qt6, Fluxbox, KDE, Xfce and an amazing set of tools. They all need to be maintained and explained to newcomers. And the live system which I seldom use. Add X.org and Wayland compatibility into the mix and this is way more than a casual Linux user can handle.

I feel SysVinit is too difficult for Linux newbies and even some Linux users with experience from other distros. SysVinit is a good option for those that care, not for the average desktop Linux user. I believe systemd should be default to minimize confusion. I haven't had any problems with it in MX Linux or in LMDE. In Linux Mint forum there is hardly any mention of systemd, because it works these days.

I worry that people go to Linux and drown. It was easier in 2008 when I first installed Linux. I think MX devs were lucky that Xfce doesn't work with Wayland out of the box. There are too many variables for a "good system". I'm not only implying "good system" in a technical sense, but in a community sense.

MX Linux is for explorers, but explorers can get lonely. Linux Mint is for city folks. They see less, but have a bigger community and speak the same language.

Maybe I'm getting old and lazy and get stressed over nothing, but cities appeal to me even if the air is less pure. It seems easier to survive in a city.

[DukeComposed]

I don't know if it is a security vulnerability or not, but it's a symptom of a difficult to maintain system.

sysvinit has been running Linux servers for 30 years and I have yet to see a CVE security vulnerability report about its DNS resolver subsystem. Or its user login management subsystem. Or its time synchronization subsystem.

I believe systemd should be default to minimize confusion. I haven't had any problems with it in MX Linux or in LMDE.

You are welcome to use systemd on any platform you choose. Meanwhile, there are a number of people who use MX Linux exclusively because of all of the work the dev team puts into ensuring a decent experience while still taking init freedom seriously. I personally left Mint for this exact reason.

MX Linux is for explorers, but explorers can get lonely. Linux Mint is for city folks. They see less, but have a bigger community and speak the same language.

Maybe I'm getting old and lazy and get stressed over nothing, but cities appeal to me even if the air is less pure. It seems easier to survive in a city.

If you prefer a bigger community and speaking a different language, go join that community and speak that language. I for one have no patience for someone telling me my group of friends is smaller than theirs, or that we should speak amongst ourselves only in Esperanto or Klingon because that's what everyone else is using.

I don't care about what everyone else is doing. There are plenty of good distros out there for beginners, and most of them use systemd. No one is lacking options in that department. You don't even need to say goodbye; you can just go there. And be happy.

The wilderness can be explored. Cities can be explored. What you're pushing for isn't a city. In your ideal world there's only one place to eat and only one place to sleep and only one place to get your clothes. Everything is consistent, everything is uniform, all your choices have been made for you by someone else and you never have to think about how little freedom you have to make up your own mind, live your life the way you want to live it, or learn something new. You're not describing a city. You're describing a prison.

[Eadwine Rose]

Plain jane: if you don't like it, move on. We're all free to use what we like. And if MX is no longer fitting what you like, move on.