no audio in systemd mode, MX23.5 [Solved]

[galen]

Need to boot into systemd mode for using snap packages
Sound output shows Dummy
Oddly sysinfo shows
server 1 as Jack
server 2 pipewire
server 3 pusleaudio

Ideas who to get audio back?

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System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-30-amd64 [6.1.124-1] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-30-amd64 root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
    init=/lib/systemd/systemd
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.0 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.38 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.20.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: MX-23.5_x64 Libretto Jan 12  2025 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20552CU v: ThinkPad T500 serial: <superuser required>
    Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 20552CU serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO v: 6FET93WW (3.23 )
    date: 10/12/2012
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 31.2 Wh (100.0%) condition: 31.2/47.5 Wh (65.7%) volts: 12.2 min: 10.8
    model: SANYO 92P1137 type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: full
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core2 Duo T9300 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Penryn level: v1 built: 2008
    process: Intel 45nm family: 6 model-id: 0x17 (23) stepping: 6 microcode: 0x610
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB
    L2: 6 MiB desc: 1x6 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1197 min/max: 800/2501 boost: enabled scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq
    governor: performance cores: 1: 1197 2: 1197 bogomips: 9974
  Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled
  Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Unknown: No mitigations
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed status: Not affected
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; STIBP: disabled; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Mobile 4 Series Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-5 process: Intel 45nm built: 2008 ports: active: LVDS-1 empty: DP-1,VGA-1
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2a42 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.20.0 driver: X: loaded: intel
    dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 444x277mm (17.48x10.91") s-diag: 523mm (20.6")
  Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 model: Lenovo 0x4053 built: 2007 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 129
    gamma: 1.2 size: 331x207mm (13.03x8.15") diag: 390mm (15.4") ratio: 16:10 modes: 1680x1050
  API: OpenGL v: 2.1 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Mobile Intel GM45 Express (CTG)
    direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801I HD Audio vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T400 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:293e class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-30-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,alsamixergui,amixer
  Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.21 status: off tools: jack_control,qjackctl
  Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active tools: pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
  Server-3: PulseAudio v: 16.1 status: off (using pipewire-pulse) with: pulseaudio-jack
    type: module tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82567LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T400 driver: e1000e v: kernel
    port: 1840 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10f5 class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network driver: iwlwifi v: kernel modules: wl
    pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:4237 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM2045B (BDC-2.1) [Bluetooth Controller] type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8
    bus-ID: 3-2:2 chip-ID: 0a5c:2145 class-ID: fe01
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 2 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 1.2 lmp-v: 2.1
    sub-v: 4235 hci-v: 2.1 rev: 5160
  Info: acl-mtu: 1021:8 sco-mtu: 64:1 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio, telephony
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 206.35 GiB used: 120 GiB (58.2%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Hitachi model: HTS543216L9SA00 size: 149.05 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 1.5 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5400 serial: <filter> rev: C40C
    scheme: MBR
  ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 type: USB vendor: SanDisk model: USB 3.2Gen1 size: 57.3 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 21.99 GiB size: 21.48 GiB (97.67%) used: 16.98 GiB (79.0%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda4 maj-min: 8:4
  ID-2: /home raw-size: 116.12 GiB size: 114.11 GiB (98.27%) used: 102.97 GiB (90.2%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda3 maj-min: 8:3
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.95 GiB used: 55.6 MiB (2.8%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda1
    maj-min: 8:1
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 56.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): fan-1: 1809 fan-2: 1809
Repos:
  Packages: 2895 pm: dpkg pkgs: 2886 libs: 1479
    tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,gnome-software,nala,synaptic pm: rpm pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
    pm: snap pkgs: 9
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jami.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/jami-archive-keyring.gpg] https://dl.jami.net/stable/debian_12/ jami main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/megasync.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/meganz-archive-keyring.gpg] https://mega.nz/linux/repo/Debian_11/ ./
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://mirror.its.dal.ca/mxlinux/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
Info:
  Processes: 239 Uptime: 1h 24m wakeups: 1 Memory: 3.72 GiB used: 2.44 GiB (65.7%) Init: systemd
  v: 252 target: graphical (5) default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

[T3KN05H4M4N]

Not sure if this will help but I had to switch to a liquorix 6x kernels to get mine to work right. I'm using kernel 6.4.15-2-liquorix. Sometimes that's all it takes is playing with different kernels. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can help you better but I'm just speaking from personal experience. Also, I had no idea you could use Snaps on MX Linux. I thought that was an Ubuntu thing.

[galen]

jack server seems to have started, i can stop JACK but hope to have pulse as #1 server

[AVLinux]

Hi,

Odd to have both PulseAudio and PipeWire on there.. Have you got 'pipewire-setup-mx' installed? That will give you a correctly set up PipeWire on MX-23 and will remove uneeded PulseAudio, if you need JACK you can use 'pipewire-jack'

On a properly set up PipeWire system there is no need for PulseAudio or JACK, PipeWire is a drop-in replacement for both.

[dolphin_oracle]

you will get a dummy output for a variety of reasons, but the easiest is multiple sound servers trying to run simulataneously. even multiple instances of wireplumber alone will do it.

under systemd, the pipewire stuff is started up by a user level systemd service. I don't know what pulse and jack are expected to start up, but if trying to manually launch one of those other sound servers, maybe even especially jack, while pipewire/wireplumber is running could cause issues. maybe one of the other servers is taking control, and wireplumber can't do its thing, which is manage connections.

I think the setup needs to be either pipewire with its' pipeware-jack and pipewire-pulse plugins, or pulseaudio/jack, not both.

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pactl info

may give some insight.

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pactl info
Server String: /run/user/1000/pulse/native
Library Protocol Version: 35
Server Protocol Version: 35
Is Local: yes
Client Index: 92
Tile Size: 65472
User Name: dolphin
Host Name: mx23xfce
Server Name: PulseAudio (on PipeWire 1.0.0)
Server Version: 15.0.0
Default Sample Specification: float32le 2ch 48000Hz
Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right
Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic.HiFi__hw_sofhdadsp__sink
Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic.HiFi__hw_sofhdadsp_6__source
Cookie: c9b5:18b1

also

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 ps -aux |grep -E 'pulse|wire|jack' |grep -v grep

should show all sound server stuff running