More 'suspend' issues

[PaulR]

I've been plagued by suspend not working properly since installing MX23 (previous releases were fine): sometimes the computer refuses to suspend (goes to black screen then comes back locked up), sometimes it seems to have worked but won't wake up necessitating a reboot, other times it wakes but the keyboard doesn't work. I've tried different kernels, systemd/init boot methods, removing the screensaver etc etc to no avail.

I could just about put up with it not working (I'm on and off the PC all day long so it's a regular issue) but having bought a new monitor yesterday another problem has been introduced - if suspend does work it brings up the display settings window on waking and has the wrong refresh rate set ie it fails to remember the correct settings. I could even live with hibernate instead of suspend but that doesn't work at all, instead of coming back up as expected it reboots.

Any suggestions please?

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System:
  Kernel: 6.4.0-1mx-ahs-amd64 [6.4.4-1~mx23+1] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.4.0-1mx-ahs-amd64 root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: MX-23.3_ahs_x64 Libretto July 31  2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: B450M-HDV R4.0 serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI-[Legacy]: American Megatrends v: P3.20 date: 07/31/2019
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ gen: 2 level: v3 note: check
    built: 2018-21 process: GF 12nm family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 8 stepping: 2 microcode: 0x800820D
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 6 tpc: 2 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 576 KiB
    desc: d-6x32 KiB; i-6x64 KiB L2: 3 MiB desc: 6x512 KiB L3: 16 MiB desc: 2x8 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1558 high: 1999 min/max: 1550/3400 boost: enabled scaling:
    driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1500 2: 1999 3: 1550 4: 1550 5: 1547 6: 1550
    7: 1550 8: 1543 9: 1550 10: 1550 11: 1546 12: 1270 bogomips: 81438
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT vulnerable
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling,
    PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] vendor: XFX Pine driver: amdgpu
    v: kernel arch: GCN-4 code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, DP-3, DVI-D-1
    bus-ID: 08:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300 temp: 47.0 C
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22") s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 model: VA24EHF serial: <filter> built: 2022 res: 1920x1080
    hz: 60 dpi: 93 gamma: 1.2 size: 527x296mm (20.75x11.65") diag: 604mm (23.8") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.2-1~mx23ahs renderer: AMD Radeon RX 570 Series (polaris10 LLVM
    15.0.6 DRM 3.52 6.4.0-1mx-ahs-amd64) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere HDMI Audio [Radeon RX 470/480 / 570/580/590] vendor: XFX Pine
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 3-2:2 pcie: chip-ID: 08bb:2902 gen: 3 class-ID: 0300
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 08:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aaf0 class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASRock driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 0a:00.3 chip-ID: 1022:1457 class-ID: 0403
  Device-3: Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec type: USB
    driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid
  API: ALSA v: k6.4.0-1mx-ahs-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.0 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: ASRock driver: r8169
    v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: f000 bus-ID: 07:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
    class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-1: br-254cee80ca73 state: down mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-2: docker0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 183.94 GiB (39.5%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Western Digital model: WDS500G2B0B-00YS70 size: 465.76 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 40WD
    scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 465.76 GiB size: 457.38 GiB (98.20%) used: 183.94 GiB (40.2%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 4 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swap/swap
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 37.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: amdgpu temp: 47.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: amdgpu fan: 1893
Repos:
  Packages: 2873 pm: dpkg pkgs: 2868 libs: 1565 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 5
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth-pro.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://mxlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://mxlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/packages/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
Info:
  Processes: 413 Uptime: 6m wakeups: 8 Memory: 15.54 GiB used: 2.1 GiB (13.5%) Init: SysVinit
  v: 3.06 runlevel: 5 default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

[davidy]

I can only suggest you simply turn the monitor off. Either let the OS do it, or use the power button. I bought a minipc specifically so I could leave it on 24/7 and use it as my media pc connected to my nas. I just physically turn my monitor off and let the pc idle. No suspend, nothing and I don't care if it works either. On my laptop with 23.3 suspend doesn't work I noticed, but, I have successfully gotten hibernate to work. I literally have to wait for the screen to flash twice and then I hit the power button once and then hold it down til the laptop dies. It successfully hibernates only in this manner.
It seems all newer pc's, windows incl., are trying to control everyone's device via it's power and each device seems to have a mind of it's own. I completely removed IntelME from my laptop specifically because I do not want anyone but me in complete control of my pc.
It's not really the OS at fault but more the manufacturers of the hardware itself. More control for them, less for you.

[LU344928]

... I completely removed IntelME from my laptop

Interesting, how did you manage that? I heard it can't be done.

[Jerry3904]

@PaulR I would first try changing the kernel using MX Package Installer.

Also: did you use the ahs version of MX 21 where everything worked? With only a single core on a 5 yr old machine I'm not sure that you need it.

[PaulR]

I can only suggest you simply turn the monitor off. Either let the OS do it, or use the power button. I bought a minipc specifically so I could leave it on 24/7 and use it as my media pc connected to my nas. I just physically turn my monitor off and let the pc idle. No suspend, nothing and I don't care if it works either. On my laptop with 23.3 suspend doesn't work I noticed, but, I have successfully gotten hibernate to work. I literally have to wait for the screen to flash twice and then I hit the power button once and then hold it down til the laptop dies. It successfully hibernates only in this manner.
It seems all newer pc's, windows incl., are trying to control everyone's device via it's power and each device seems to have a mind of it's own. I completely removed IntelME from my laptop specifically because I do not want anyone but me in complete control of my pc.
It's not really the OS at fault but more the manufacturers of the hardware itself. More control for them, less for you.

Thanks for the info and suggestion. There are related two reasons I don't want to leave the PC on idle: it's bad for the planet and it's bad for my electricity bill. It would mean having the PC on from around 6am until maybe 10pm, usually I'd use it for around a third of that time, much of it for short periods (5-20 mins) with some longer sessions so rebooting is a pain even with SSD.

I switched the PC off after the original post and when I put it back on to check the forum I was presented with two instances of the display properties window, both showing the wrong refresh rate!! What the....

[PaulR]

@PaulR I would first try changing the kernel using MX Package Installer.

Also: did you use the ahs version of MX 21 where everything worked? With only a single core on a 5 yr old machine I'm not sure that you need it.

Thanks for this but I've already been down that route without success. I honestly can't recall if I was using the advanced hardware version previously. I only built this PC about 2yrs ago, I'm guessing that date is the BIOS version date and according to AMD it's a 6 core processor. I'm not greatly interested in the minutiae of hardware I just bought the components for a half decent PC which works great apart from this issue (and the new one related to the new monitor!).

[PaulR]

Oh, I think I just solved the monitor issue - went to advanced tab and set it to do nothing when a 'new' monitor is connected. Manually opening the display settings seems it remembered the proper refresh rate.

[Jerry3904]

Excellent. If that is persistent, please mark your thread "solved" (little check mark in upper right corner of your post)

[PaulR]

Excellent. If that is persistent, please mark your thread "solved" (little check mark in upper right corner of your post)

Sorry, that's just the monitor issue mentioned incidentally, I'm afraid the suspend issue persists. I've tested various settings in the BIOS in case they're having some effect but that didn't help. :(

[siamhie]

Also: did you use the ahs version of MX 21 where everything worked? With only a single core on a 5 yr old machine I'm not sure that you need it.

@Jerry3904 The AMD Ryzen 5 2600 is a 6 core 12 thread CPU.

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CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ gen: 2 level: v3 note: check
    built: 2018-21 process: GF 12nm family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 8 stepping: 2 microcode: 0x800820D
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 6 tpc: 2 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache: L1: 576 KiB