Why only KDE, XFCe and Fluxbox

[LinuxSpring1]

So can we say that KDE continued to support or made their DE init agnostic?

The user can use any init system (SysVInit, SystemD, runit, etc) that they want when they use KDE. But the same could not be said for GNOME. Offcourse some of the applications even in KDE do not work unless in SystemD is used, for example Applications view in System Monitor. I am thinking of raising this in the KDE forum. But looking at their forum I come to the conclusion that there is not much active participation in KDE forums by their devs and/or experienced users.

This leads me to LXQt. It is supposed to be a merger of LXDE and Razor-qt. Has anyone tried that out?

[Joseph DeGarmo]

LXQt is basically a cut-down Plasma desktop. LXQt works best in Sparky Linux due to its curated themes. And yes, GNOME and Budgie are two desktops which will not run too well outside of systemd.

[jeffreyC]

The user can use any init system (SysVInit, SystemD, runit, etc) that they want when they use KDE. But the same could not be said for GNOME.

Not really a surprise, the GNOME devs are mostly employed by the same company that employs most of the systemd devs; Red Hat

[DukeComposed]

Not really a surprise, the GNOME devs are mostly employed by the same company that employs most of the systemd devs; Red Hat

There was a recent proposal to switch Red Hat Fedora to KDE. It's really more of a protest statement than any kind of technical change that will ever see the light of day, but it's nice to know some folks aren't lashed head and heart to whatever Lennart Poettering thinks is best.

[Joseph DeGarmo]

And the Buddies of Budgie are working to part ways from the clutches of GNOME and evolve into an EFL-based Wayland platform on the future Budgie 11 release. This is a good move because the dependency on systemd and the Libadwaita theme is not OK.

[AVLinux]

And the Buddies of Budgie are working to part ways from the clutches of GNOME and evolve into an EFL-based Wayland platform on the future Budgie 11 release. This is a good move because the dependency on systemd and the Libadwaita theme is not OK.

Do you mean EFL as in the base libraries of Enlightenment?!

That will be interesting to see because the main developer of Enlightenment and EFL has very little use for sysvinit or anything other than systemd. I know this because I use Enlightenment and EFL with the MX build-iso system for my project AV Linux and it has been a bumpy road because Enlightenment is not very well behaved with sysvinit and the current MX/antiX Live system is designed to work with sysvinit. Unless the Budgie devs are going to fork their own EFL I would be very surprised if they don't end up also getting steered toward using systemd at some point..

[LinuxSpring1]

Is this the Enlightenment that you are referring to? This is a new Window manager that I have come across. How is it? Looks like a more polished version of MacOS GUI.

[AVLinux]

Yes, that is the one..

How long an answer do you want? I personally like it very much which has been to my detriment because it has not been overly well received by AVL Users. I would describe it as "maddeningly brilliant"...lol. It falls somewhere between a Window Manager and a Desktop Environment and it is incomplete in some important areas (ie it's File Manager is lacking some key features so it currently requires an outside File Manager, I use Thunar). It's compositing (window fades, shadows, transitions) are wonderfully rendered and yet Enlightenment is far lighter on RAM than XFCE so it gives you 'bling' at virtually no cost. It is not easy to theme, in fact it's themes are quite complicated to code so it is not easy to make it look like anything else so if you want to do a lot of theme customization it will frustrate you. It's developed with systemd in mind so using it without systemd is not impossible but not easy.. It is a DE with an artists temperament, beautiful while at the same time difficult and I weirdly find that aspect of it attractive..

[8bit]

it has not been overly well received by AVL Users.

When the change was made I wondered about it's success (acceptance). If someone wanted to 'get into' audio/video editing, by using your spin, they would have to learn a new DE first; as most are unfamiliar with E.
Best luck with your marvelous spin.

2³bit

[Joseph DeGarmo]

While installing Budgie on MX Linux would be really nice, you will need to boot to systemd mode to use it effectively since there are session bugs with it on sysvinit. Then, of course, you will need to manually install a bunch of GNOME and Cinnamon X applications from the LMDE 6 repositories, which requires more work.