What about a regular MX Linux with AV Linux config?

[CharlesV]

@AVLinux I have to agree with Mauser, there is no such thing as a 'one size fit' .

In my humble opinion ... the tooling that you have put together is pretty amazing... and THAT is the real beauty of AVL. I would suggest working at a 'base' that you could drop onto a load which would provide the tools and configs that work.

IF you had a clean, lean MX base (xfce and / or kde) and could drop your "AVL' tools onto it, then I think you would be in the best possible position to not only set that up, but also to support it.

I would offer to help with creating a lean xfce base if you need some contributors to work with and support it. I dont really know KDE well, but I think that too would be highly beneficial.

And since you know enlightenment and lxde well, that is the other piece that fits here. Every write up I have seen suggests that the LXDE is a component and provides a serious user base for many things.

You have done excellent with AVL and I think you will find the right place to land. ( or return too even ) One thing I have learned in years of software development... you cannot please everyone. SO, you must take a position that works and that YOU CAN work with and support. Once you have that, it will all work - for everyone that it can.

[siamhie]

@siamhie

My plan would be separate ISO's based on MX XFCE4 and KDE, I have nothing against Fluxbox I just think the other two DE's would be more popular choices for this purpose..

@AVLinux An XFCE & KDE release sounds good. Personally I have no problem with leaving fluxbox out of the mix.
If (select) users are getting their panties in a bunch over the Enlightenment desktop, I can only image it being worse using an actual window manager.

Whatever you decide down the road, I will be more than welcome to test out your next release(s).

[Be OK]

Glen i use AVL a long time and it works perfectly,there are a few system depended glitches but that's normal. Your video is a live saver to even use E and i still fight with it.So i had wondered can you switch to xfce.Got ardour working but no idea how to use the jack stuff.the panel right side if i add using the ibar it also add to the bottom and E has no clear manual (i find) so got back to 21 to work until i can use 23. To the readers i am a old grumpy music maker :)
@alextone If you find it easy to use,please write a manual.

[AVLinux]

Glen i use AVL a long time and it works perfectly,there are a few system depended glitches but that's normal. Your video is a live saver to even use E and i still fight with it.So i had wondered can you switch to xfce.Got ardour working but no idea how to use the jack stuff.the panel right side if i add using the ibar it also add to the bottom and E has no clear manual (i find) so got back to 21 to work until i can use 23. To the readers i am a old grumpy music maker :)
@alextone If you find it easy to use,please write a manual.

Hi Be OK!

Everybody has opinions and I am no different... For me (opinion only) XFCE4 uses far too many resources for what you get, it's seemingly becoming Gnome-lite, it's not ready (yet) for Wayland, it's built-in compositing is too bland for my taster and it's kludgy to use with external compositors (ie compton), but what really killed it for me was that it doesn't work well at all... in fact it's built-in Display scaling is completely broken with 4K monitors and if you scale it up with xrandr (MX tweak) it looks blurry and loses detail so I had enough. Enlightenment is FAR from perfect but it is super efficient with resources, has beautiful compositing and excellent scaling.

If you want to install XFCE4 into AVL you can of course, you'll just need to set it up yourself

First of all how do you want to use JACK? What programs are you using?

As far as the active Windows appearing in all iBars you can make this setting so active windows don't appear in the iBar itself:

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[MXRobo]

AVLinux wrote->

but what really killed it for me was that it doesn't work well at all... in fact it's built-in Display scaling is completely broken with 4K monitors and if you scale it up with xrandr (MX tweak) it looks blurry and loses detail so I had enough.

Glen,
does this do anything (help) https://dpi.lv/#3840%C3%972160
if set in Appearance in Xfce.

[AVLinux]

AVLinux wrote->

but what really killed it for me was that it doesn't work well at all... in fact it's built-in Display scaling is completely broken with 4K monitors and if you scale it up with xrandr (MX tweak) it looks blurry and loses detail so I had enough.

Glen,
does this do anything (help) https://dpi.lv/#3840%C3%972160
if set in Appearance in Xfce.

Hi, that's interesting, I currently have no XFCE4 installs but may try booting a default MX XFCE4 ISO to test that..

[siamhie]

AVLinux wrote->

but what really killed it for me was that it doesn't work well at all... in fact it's built-in Display scaling is completely broken with 4K monitors and if you scale it up with xrandr (MX tweak) it looks blurry and loses detail so I had enough.

Glen,
does this do anything (help) https://dpi.lv/#3840%C3%972160
if set in Appearance in Xfce.

That web site seems to work with -only- known monitors. (case in point)


I tried looking up information on my (2021) HP X27Q (1440) monitor and no results came up.

So I plugged in my monitors diagonal dimensions and got this

163.png

Yet the technical specs for -my- monitor says this.

Pixels per inch (ppi) 109 ppi (- --not 163)

Resolution (maximum) QHD (2560 x 1440 @ 165 Hz) (---not 3840x 2160)

[MXRobo]

@siamhie
I use that website to SET my Custom DPI (without any scaling) in: Appearance → Fonts – DPI - - Custom DPI
I enter 141 for a 1920x1080 -15.6 inch screen

I read that most devs worked with 1366x768 and 15.6" screens, so I divided 1920/1366 ~ 1.41.
Later, I found that website and it recommended the same number as I entered after getting my first HD computer – laptop.

Assuming a 16:9 aspect ratio, for a 27" I'd:

Horizontal pixels/1366) X (15.6/Diag. screen size) = Custom DPI (without any scaling)
Ex. (2560/1366) X (15.6/27) = 1.08 Close to the suggested 109 [Maybe they're rounding each separate calculation]
Ex. (3840/1366) X (15.6/27) = 1.62 Close to the suggested 163

[nudiecrudi]

Hi, thanks folks for the kind words..

This is all just some future planning thoughts and ideas, I'm not convinced there isn't a place for AVL as it is now in the future, I'm just wondering if it might be a good plan B or a good alternative for folks who want a tuned system but perhaps don't like Enlightenment, or find AVL too specialized, or just would prefer an Audio tuned MX system to start with.

i reckon that it would be a nice path to walk

[siamhie]

@siamhie
I use that website to SET my Custom DPI (without any scaling) in: Appearance → Fonts – DPI - - Custom DPI
I enter 141 for a 1920x1080 -15.6 inch screen

I read that most devs worked with 1366x768 and 15.6" screens, so I divided 1920/1366 ~ 1.41.
Later, I found that website and it recommended the same number as I entered after getting my first HD computer – laptop.

Assuming a 16:9 aspect ratio, for a 27" I'd:

Horizontal pixels/1366) X (15.6/Diag. screen size) = Custom DPI (without any scaling)
Ex. (2560/1366) X (15.6/27) = 1.08 Close to the suggested 109 [Maybe they're rounding each separate calculation]
Ex. (3840/1366) X (15.6/27) = 1.62 Close to the suggested 163

@MXRobo I didn't even notice the web site assumed my monitor was 4K so I plugged in my actual dimensions (2560x1440) and size of 27" and the PPI came up correct.

109.png

and that's what QSI also reports.

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Monitor-1: DP-3 mapped: DisplayPort-2 model: HP X27q serial: <filter> built: 2021
    res: 2560x1440 hz: 165 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 597x336mm (23.5x13.23") diag: 685mm (27")
    ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400