What about a regular MX Linux with AV Linux config?

[AVLinux]

Hi,

Just floating an idea that's been rolling around in my brain...

Since there are mixed reviews on AV Linux with Enlightenment (I will not personally be going back to XFCE4) what if in the future (ie next Debian Trixie) there was no distributed "AV Linux" and simply a custom 'media' build of vanilla MX XFCE4 | KDE ??

Essentially:

MX official releases as they are themed and presented with their defaults PLUS:

- Replacement liquorix kernel
- Wine-Staging + yabridge + wineasio
- AV Linux performance configurations (/etc/default stuff)
- AV Linux PipeWire-JACK extra configs + PW metadata tool
- AV Linux utilities and helper scripts (YADbridge, Wine-Audio-Utils, Sysedit)
- Official Ardour bundles and a nice selection of pre-installed Audio Plugins
- Much less in-depth stuff like the numerous specialized custom actions that most people don't seem to be aware of anyway..

Obviously the ISO names would need to be changed to indicate the custom media spin, but essentially at first glance just a good 'ole MX Linux ISO with some extras... Thoughts??

[siamhie]

Would it be similar to what you can get with fluxbox?

XFCE/KDE users can install either the standard fluxbox setup (like what you get with other distro's) or the mx-fluxbox install which includes all the customization added to the standard install.


Maybe have it as an AVL meta package so to speak that can be added to any desktop of choice from the user.

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[AVLinux]

Would it be similar to what you can get with fluxbox?

XFCE/KDE users can install either the standard fluxbox setup (like what you get with other distro's) or the mx-fluxbox install which includes all the customization added to the standard install.


Maybe have it as an AVL meta package so to speak that can be added to any desktop of choice from the user.


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Meh, it's not nearly that easy unfortunately, a meta-package would miss most of the good stuff... There is good reason that AVL has as many external packages as it does, Stevo is extremely accommodating and helpful but in something so specialized as AVL there are a lot of edge cases..

- Some AVL defaults will collide with MX defaults
- Many specialized apps (Ardour, Mixbus, Blender, Cinelerra, Reaper, Musescore off the top of my head) are not in MX Repos, or aren't supported outside their Vendor binaries or have been abandoned in Debian Repos with ancient versions and no up to date sources.
- Some programs and Audio Plugins in AVL are closed-source and have prohibitive licensing to be Repo packages

[SjzstudioMK]

Would it then be "MX Linux AV Studio"?

Might be a good idea. But the most important thing to keep is:
- stability
- functionality
- current programs and plugins
- immediate operational readiness
- Glen

It might be useful to move more under the umbrella of MX Linux. The lightest desktop possible. However, the current one is quite good. It will develop in the future. In my opinion, the knowledge of the MXLinux community is top class and it is a good home for this. But even the current model is certainly working

[siamhie]

Meh, it's not nearly that easy unfortunately, a meta-package would miss most of the good stuff... There is good reason that AVL has as many external packages as it does, Stevo is extremely accommodating and helpful but in something so specialized as AVL there are a lot of edge cases..

- Some AVL defaults will collide with MX defaults
- Many specialized apps (Ardour, Mixbus, Blender, Cinelerra, Reaper, Musescore off the top of my head) are not in MX Repos, or aren't supported outside their Vendor binaries or have been abandoned in Debian Repos with ancient versions and no up to date sources.
- Some programs and Audio Plugins in AVL are closed-source and have prohibitive licensing to be Repo packages

I see what you mean, especially with regards to outside/closed source packages.

simply a custom 'media' build of vanilla MX XFCE4 | KDE

Would that be a single install ISO and the user can choose between the two desktops?

[alextone]

I find it a bit sad there's been mixed reviews for the Enlightenment AVL version. I found, and find it easy to work with, even with the initial odd quirk here and there (which Glen has solved), and the journey of discovery for Pipewire, which as a die hard jack user has been a challenge worthy of my skepticism. Now it just works.

Glen, as long as you continue creating an Enlightenment version, I for one will continue using it.

If you decide to streamline your herculean efforts into "MX Linux +", then I will understand that too. The amount of effort you've put into AV Linux over many years can't be appreciated enough, and, not speaking for anyone else but myself, I'll say Thanks, again. Switching to MX/Anti Linux was one your best decisions, imho. Stable, reliable, the list of plusses goes on and on. An entirely successful partnership that we have benefited from.

So whatever you decide to do, you have my continued support, be it a continuation of AVL-MXDE, or a +, overlaid on MX/Anti Linux.

Respect,

Alex.

[Mauser]

I find it a bit sad there's been mixed reviews for the Enlightenment AVL version. I found, and find it easy to work with, even with the initial odd quirk here and there (which Glen has solved), and the journey of discovery for Pipewire, which as a die hard jack user has been a challenge worthy of my skepticism. Now it just works.

Glen, as long as you continue creating an Enlightenment version, I for one will continue using it.

If you decide to streamline your herculean efforts into "MX Linux +", then I will understand that too. The amount of effort you've put into AV Linux over many years can't be appreciated enough, and, not speaking for anyone else but myself, I'll say Thanks, again. Switching to MX/Anti Linux was one your best decisions, imho. Stable, reliable, the list of plusses goes on and on. An entirely successful partnership that we have benefited from.

So whatever you decide to do, you have my continued support, be it a continuation of AVL-MXDE, or a +, overlaid on MX/Anti Linux.

Respect,

Alex.

There is nothing to be sad about it because there is no such thing as a one size fits all Linux distro.

[SjzstudioMK]

I find it a bit sad there's been mixed reviews for the Enlightenment AVL version. I found, and find it easy to work with, even with the initial odd quirk here and there (which Glen has solved), and the journey of discovery for Pipewire, which as a die hard jack user has been a challenge worthy of my skepticism. Now it just works.

Glen, as long as you continue creating an Enlightenment version, I for one will continue using it.

If you decide to streamline your herculean efforts into "MX Linux +", then I will understand that too. The amount of effort you've put into AV Linux over many years can't be appreciated enough, and, not speaking for anyone else but myself, I'll say Thanks, again. Switching to MX/Anti Linux was one your best decisions, imho. Stable, reliable, the list of plusses goes on and on. An entirely successful partnership that we have benefited from.

So whatever you decide to do, you have my continued support, be it a continuation of AVL-MXDE, or a +, overlaid on MX/Anti Linux.

Respect,

Alex.

I very much agree. Grateful for what is now.

[ForkTheWire]

Even though I haven't had the chance to use AV Linux, I have benefited tremendously from reading your work (AVL 21 manual that is) in the past; this is how I made a similar pulse/jack configuration in MX 21. You also pointed me a the right direction with pipewire in MX 23 about half a year ago. I might be a niche standing in between the target AVL user and MX user; so I do not know how eligible I am to come up with suggestions on the matter. I can say just a few words either way though. I personally stayed daily driving MX because it is mostly equiped with programs that I use, I removed only a few stock apps and didn't add too too many either; and xfce has proved itself to me on various machines for 2+ years now. Now, I know that the pipewire leap was big enough last year but in the future if we could have the audio configurations and configuration tools there it would solve more than half of my problems. I also gave up on Wine because FL Studio doesn't play 100% nicely nor Native Access..the only reason really I still have a drive with Windows 10. All that said I'll be happy with whatever next direction you take AVL, and I'll be giving feedback whenever I can of testing new app releases.

[AVLinux]

Hi, thanks folks for the kind words..

This is all just some future planning thoughts and ideas, I'm not convinced there isn't a place for AVL as it is now in the future, I'm just wondering if it might be a good plan B or a good alternative for folks who want a tuned system but perhaps don't like Enlightenment, or find AVL too specialized, or just would prefer an Audio tuned MX system to start with..

@siamhie

My plan would be separate ISO's based on MX XFCE4 and KDE, I have nothing against Fluxbox I just think the other two DE's would be more popular choices for this purpose..