Systemd alternative approach?

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Systemd alternative approach?

#1 Post by 0x6A7232 »

What if, instead of using SysVInit and symlinking systemd compatibility, you made a systemd compatible replacement suite that was transparent to applications depending on it?

So, have your "keep everything simple and only doing one thing" philosophy, but integrate it into a suite of tools that can be installed so as to fully be compatible with systemd (maybe throw in sysvinit commands as acceptable as well so that people with scripts or habits from either system will feel at home).

Or is this waaay out of the realm of possibilities?

It just seems like a decent solution to SysVInit vs Systemd, as everything is progressing towards Systemd, but a few people have issue with it, so the best of both worlds should perhaps convince people to move towards an alternate which has the benefits of both Systemd and SysVInit?

Right now you sort of have that but you get stuff like this:

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$ sudo systemctl edit libvirtd
System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
Or failure to open / install due to arcane detection not picking up systemd as running.

Anyways. Just a thought, as in 5-10 years I'm thinking it's just going to get worse, so you're better off trying to come up with a solution that people can move TO, rather than compromises that only satisfy those clinging to the previous generation of solutions (which is fine, but probably won't work forever, unfortunately).

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Re: Systemd alternative approach?

#2 Post by pbear »

This probably belongs in chat rather than support. FWIW, I've always found persuasive a comment I read years ago, the first time I ran into the issue. It's a computer, not a religion. Use whichever option works best for you.

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Re: Systemd alternative approach?

#3 Post by 0x6A7232 »

I'm just not sure if the approach being taken with the sysv is the right response for those that do not wish to use systemd (I'm rather agnostic on the issue but I don't want to deviate too far from how a distro is designed to be used as it's easy to run into problems of your own making that way).

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Re: Systemd alternative approach?

#4 Post by Eadwine Rose »

You already have a thread on this topic, here: viewtopic.php?t=80053

Please stick to one thread per topic, thanks. Closed.
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