Firefox is Finally Providing Deb Package for Debian

[siamhie]

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[FraterLinux]

Mind making those images a bit smaller. Max sizes stated in the forum rules, thanks.

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[FullScale4Me]

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[arjaybe]

Does the Mozilla deb start quicker? Lately my Firefox has struggled.

[Stevo]

The MX debs are just the Mozilla-provided prebuilt static binaries (hence our version's name) that we scrape from their ftp download archive, and then bundle into a deb with some extra configuration files, desktop file, and other goodies. I added the "Depends" for those based on what Mozilla had listed on their site for Linux system requirements at that time. I think they are built on as old a version of Centos as they can get away with.

Natively built-from-source binary debs, which is the "Debian way", get most of their dependencies automatically during the packaging as the finished binaries get queried about what they require, and those can vary quite a bit depending on what releases' library versions they get built against. It seems Mozilla's are getting built the Debian way, unlike our time-saving (and rustc-updating-avoiding method )

Debian has never stopped building their own debs for firefox and firefox-esr; perhaps the author's excitement is due to the fact that Ubuntu switched to only snap Firefox packages years ago.

This thread's title should be more about their new apt repo, IMO, since those include the debs by default.

[FraterLinux]

Debian has never stopped building their own debs for firefox and firefox-esr; perhaps the author's excitement is due to the fact that Ubuntu switched to only snap Firefox packages years ago.

I searched and found Firefox only offered on Debian Sid. Yes, Debian never stopped offering Firefox-ESR, but not Firefox.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox

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Package firefox

    sid (unstable) (web): Navegador web Firefox da Mozilla
    122.0-1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386
    121.0.1-1: ppc64 ppc64el riscv64 s390x
    118.0.2-1: mips64el 

In Devuan as in Debian Firefox only in Ceres [unstable].
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli ... x&x=submit

On the other hand, the Chromium browser is widely offered in Debian.
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Chromium

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    buster (oldoldstable) (web): navegador web
    90.0.4430.212-1~deb10u1: amd64 armhf i386
    89.0.4389.114-1~deb10u1: arm64
    bullseye (oldstable) (web): navegador web
    120.0.6099.224-1~deb11u1 [security]: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el
    bookworm (stable) (web): navegador web
    121.0.6167.85-1~deb12u1 [security]: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el
    trixie (testing) (web): navegador web
    120.0.6099.216-1: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el
    sid (unstable) (web): navegador web
    121.0.6167.85-1: amd64 arm64 i386 ppc64el
    120.0.6099.224-2: armhf

I believe that Debian's policy is to opt for Firefox-ESR for the stable version of the distro.

So I still think it's good news that Mozilla offers Deb package.

[davidy]

Because it's so hard to get (rid of lol). The repo news is the only news.

[Stevo]

The newest Firefoxi are only in upstream Debian because the builds require a rustc compiler only available upstream.

Once compiled, though, one can run the binaries on an older release. I would take a look at how Mozilla builds them for even an older and EOL distrelease like Ubuntu 18.04...

[mmikeinsantarosa]

regarding kmather's post

They both have libpango1.0 as a depend, and the deb package from Mozilla has several other depends which the MX package doesn't list (maybe it should?)

mozilla's specs for firefox is

Firefox will not run at all without the following libraries or packages:
glibc 2.17 or higher
GTK+ 3.14 or higher
libglib 2.42 or higher
libstdc++ 4.8.1 or higher
X.Org 1.0 or higher (1.7 or higher is recommended)
For optimal functionality, we recommend the following libraries or packages:
DBus 1.0 or higher
NetworkManager 0.7 or higher
PulseAudio

I created a new depends list by joining our existing depends with what's in the vanilla version and then checked to see what this new package list would bring down on a firefox install in a pristine MX23 VM and every one of them was already installed... except for libgcc1. It only exists in buster so it is no longer in the list. I can't determine the alternatives in bullseye & bookworm are for bullseyes libgcc1.

Do we want to modify our firefox depends list to include the new list?

-mike

[kmathern]

...I created a new depends list by joining our existing depends with what's in the vanilla version and then checked to see what this new package list would bring down on a firefox install in a pristine MX23 VM and every one of them was already installed... except for libgcc1. It only exists in buster so it is no longer in the list. I can't determine the alternatives in bullseye & bookworm are for bullseyes libgcc1.

Do we want to modify our firefox depends list to include the new list?

-mike

It looks like libgcc-s1 provides libgcc1

$ apt-cache show libgcc-s1
Package: libgcc-s1
Source: gcc-12
Version: 12.2.0-14
Installed-Size: 140
Maintainer: Debian GCC Maintainers <debian-gcc@lists.debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Replaces: libgcc1 (<< 1:10)
Provides: libgcc1 (= 1:12.2.0-14)
Depends: gcc-12-base (= 12.2.0-14), libc6 (>= 2.35)
Description-en: GCC support library
Shared version of the support library, a library of internal subroutines
that GCC uses to overcome shortcomings of particular machines, or
special needs for some languages.
Description-md5: bbd60d723e97d8e06c04228ee4c76f10
Multi-Arch: same
Homepage: http://gcc.gnu.org/
Important: yes
Protected: yes
Tag: role::shared-lib
Section: libs
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-12/libgcc-s1_12.2.0-14_amd64.deb
Size: 49892
MD5sum: f00018bcad3c773b1fbb378bbdd6b9d1
SHA256: f3d1d48c0599aea85b7f2077a01d285badc42998c1a1e7473935d5cf995c8141

And MX-23 comes with libgcc-s1 already installed.

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$ grep libgcc-s1 /usr/share/antiX/installed-packages.txt 
libgcc-s1:amd64                          12.2.0-14                              amd64        GCC support library
libgcc-s1:i386                           12.2.0-14                              i386         GCC support library