MX-23 RC3 (Xfce) Feedback thread

[doodstecsonhere]

@doodstecsonhere A successful swapon -a won't output anything. But, feel free to add -v, i.e. swapon -av.

Also, "dmesg | grep swap" will show you activation of swap.
ADDED: use "dmesg -T | grep swap" to show you human readable date/time in the dmesg output.

@figueroa , wonderful! Thank you for the clarification.

Here are the outputs:

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doods@sammy-mx-xf:~
$ swapon -av
swapon: /dev/sda2: already active -- ignored
doods@sammy-mx-xf:~
$ sudo dmesg -T | grep swap
[Thu Jul 27 10:38:07 2023] Spectre V1 : Mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
[Thu Jul 27 10:38:08 2023] zswap: loaded using pool lzo/zbud
[Thu Jul 27 10:38:21 2023] Adding 7577596k swap on /dev/sda2.  Priority:-2 extents:1 across:7577596k SSDscFS

[doodstecsonhere]

Thanks again everyone for the help. Swap partition is swapping well, it's also now detected in System Monitor panel widget.

New RC3 feedback: hibernation doesn't actually save anything. When I click the hibernate button in the Whisker menu: all it does is a slower shutdown process with CLI errors shooting through half the black screen before my computer completely turns off. When I turn it back on: computer/BIOS says "System is resuming..." so it seems to detect that a hibernation was attempted/done, but when I login: nothing was restored: unlike when I use the Whisker sleep/suspend button where it restores the galculator app that was open before I hit the sleep/suspend button. Hibernate doesn't restore the open state of the galculator app unlike sleep/suspend.

How do I send logs or which file do I send for logs?

[AlphaElwedritsch]

Thanks again everyone for the help. Swap partition is swapping well, it's also now detected in System Monitor panel widget.

New RC3 feedback: hibernation doesn't actually save anything. When I click the hibernate button in the Whisker menu: all it does is a slower shutdown process with CLI errors shooting through half the black screen before my computer completely turns off. When I turn it back on: computer/BIOS says "System is resuming..." so it seems to detect that a hibernation was attempted/done, but when I login: nothing was restored: unlike when I use the Whisker sleep/suspend button where it restores the galculator app that was open before I hit the sleep/suspend button. Hibernate doesn't restore the open state of the galculator app unlike sleep/suspend.

How do I send logs or which file do I send for logs?

That's why i decided to go back to 21.3 and wait for the first point release of 23 to upgrade
I've been looking at MX23 for a while now and played around with it and it satisfied my first curiosity. but there isn't really anything that forces you to upgrade to mx21.3

[briainxyz]

Referring back to my 78 year old mom's feedback on page 1, thanks for the warm welcome and comments @popjah @j2mcgreg @thinkpadx @entropyfoe @dolphin_oracle @Jerry3904 @doodstecsonhere @andy. Not wanting to dilute the technical discussion too much, but here was her reply.

I'm so glad to be on the right track [with MX-23]. You shouldn't have to adjust your mind 180 degrees, that's how i felt with Microsoft (to be part of the consumer culture, as well as their constant assertions that they can make your life easier). It was uncomfortable and a source of stress. Ideally you should feel that you are still aligned with the good the beautiful and the true when your working on a computer. And you should know that the computer is working for you and you are not working for it. Our nervous systems are very delicate and if your feeling conflicted about the raison d'etre, you don't want to be sucked into something that that's in conflict with your basic values. And I'm glad that i had the opportunity of going through the setup process step by step [including updateing the firmware of the bios, changing the boot order, flashing the image etc]. I was relieved to be inducted into a process that made me more conscious of the whole workings of linux and I firmly believer that we have to become more conscious of what we do. [She mentioned a joke about two monks peeling potatoes, one who thinks about God while peeling potatoes, the other says, no being closer to God is thinking about peeling potatoes while you're peeling potatoes]. We hand over our power when we don't take enough interest of going through how something comes together. I want to acknowledge the team who have taken it upon themselves to engage every fiber of their being in the effort to bring about this highly complex process and make it accessible to the millions. If that work wasn't done, without the selfless service to the whole, they could have never come up with the sophisticated and user-friendly operating system that this MX Linux is. I can only imagine the amount of trial and error and the enduring and dogged determination that brought it into being.

Thanks for the invitation to join the forum, but I'm very far from the heights of geekdom [and will use my son as a proxy], so I'm opting to continue my interest and delight of seeing the spread of linux throughout the world to become accessible to everyone regardless of age, and giving it testimony wherever it is called for.

Know that you have made an avid Linux supporter out of her and be happy

[thinkpadx]

wonderful!

thank you for sharing this.

i have nstalled the rc1 version and then upgraded from there via updates on an old thinkpad x201, x220, x280, and an OLD HP. install was smooth and i have not had one glitch so far. so yes, the team and testers have done one hell of a job. wanted to write each one of the team to let them know; but this will have to do.

after close to 20 yrs on linus this is without a doubt the best distro i have ever used! and the community here is fantastic too.

hope you mother jumps in and participates - or at least keep checking into the forum even without a comment.

:-))))


p.s. - i am 70! so i know what she means.

[doodstecsonhere]

Referring back to my 78 year old mom's feedback on page 1, thanks for the warm welcome and comments @popjah @j2mcgreg @thinkpadx @entropyfoe @dolphin_oracle @Jerry3904 @doodstecsonhere @andy. Not wanting to dilute the technical discussion too much, but here was her reply.

I'm so glad to be on the right track [with MX-23]. You shouldn't have to adjust your mind 180 degrees, that's how i felt with Microsoft (to be part of the consumer culture, as well as their constant assertions that they can make your life easier). It was uncomfortable and a source of stress. Ideally you should feel that you are still aligned with the good the beautiful and the true when your working on a computer. And you should know that the computer is working for you and you are not working for it. Our nervous systems are very delicate and if your feeling conflicted about the raison d'etre, you don't want to be sucked into something that that's in conflict with your basic values. And I'm glad that i had the opportunity of going through the setup process step by step [including updateing the firmware of the bios, changing the boot order, flashing the image etc]. I was relieved to be inducted into a process that made me more conscious of the whole workings of linux and I firmly believer that we have to become more conscious of what we do. [She mentioned a joke about two monks peeling potatoes, one who thinks about God while peeling potatoes, the other says, no being closer to God is thinking about peeling potatoes while you're peeling potatoes]. We hand over our power when we don't take enough interest of going through how something comes together. I want to acknowledge the team who have taken it upon themselves to engage every fiber of their being in the effort to bring about this highly complex process and make it accessible to the millions. If that work wasn't done, without the selfless service to the whole, they could have never come up with the sophisticated and user-friendly operating system that this MX Linux is. I can only imagine the amount of trial and error and the enduring and dogged determination that brought it into being.

Thanks for the invitation to join the forum, but I'm very far from the heights of geekdom [and will use my son as a proxy], so I'm opting to continue my interest and delight of seeing the spread of linux throughout the world to become accessible to everyone regardless of age, and giving it testimony wherever it is called for.

Know that you have made an avid Linux supporter out of her and be happy

That's awesome, @briainxyz ! I love MX Linux as well. :)

"We hand over our power when we don't take enough interest of going through how something comes together."

Your mom sounds like a future Arch user maybe hahahaha.

"I want to acknowledge the team who have taken it upon themselves to engage every fiber of their being in the effort to bring about this highly complex process and make it accessible to the millions. If that work wasn't done, without the selfless service to the whole, they could have never come up with the sophisticated and user-friendly operating system that this MX Linux is. I can only imagine the amount of trial and error and the enduring and dogged determination that brought it into being. "

Cheers to @dolphin_oracle and the rest of MX Team!! <3 I wholeheartedly agree with her statements: MX Linux makes sooo many things that much more accessible and easier.

The Live USB technology is unmatched (I wonder if this is implementable in other distros). The MXPI + User Installed Apps tools is just so damn thoughtful for the user I love it: makes doing a clean install so much faster! :) Dolphin Oracle's YT videos are also something I really enjoyed with this distro. Glad I finally tried a non-regular install and it's working very well (I don't use hibernation regularly yet).

The MX Conky Tools and MX Snapshot are another set of apps keeping me with MX Linux: currently learning how to do this with other distros (as my addiction to distrohopping is still there haha). Though with Distrobox now available perhaps I don't need to explore those Arch distros without leaving antiX/MX Linux anymore.

[briainxyz]

p.s. - i am 70! so i know what she means.

@thinkpadx That's awesome, you are a trailblazer and that's for certain! This is a diverse community, elders and all. (I'm not far off at 56 myself)

@doodstecsonhere Thanks for the [reminder] to check out dolphin_oracle's videos. I did just, I like the cut of his jib, and I think some of the most enjoyable to watch.

Hadn't heard of Distrobox but I'm all in, especially that it can work with podman. Containerization is here to stay!

Your mom sounds like a future Arch user maybe hahahaha.

Haha, I would be shocked if she asked me straight up to use nwg-shell (GTK3 wrapper of hyprland wm on wayland) and arch someday, but at this stage who can really tell? Her mother lived to 105!

[doodstecsonhere]

p.s. - i am 70! so i know what she means.

@thinkpadx That's awesome, you are a trailblazer and that's for certain! This is a diverse community, elders and all. (I'm not far off at 56 myself)

@briainxyz Because you mention your mom, I thought you were muuuch younger haha. @thinkpadx happy to participate with you guys! Me I'm more/less Linux years old (33 yrs). Just started with Linux last year! Jumpstarted by the arrival of Chrome OS Flex to speed up my 2017 Intel Atom dual boot Windows/Android tablet. I tried Brunch (Unofficial Chrome OS) and Linux inside Brunch (Brioche tool) but Zoom sucks on Chrome OS so I went back to Linux. Chrome OS Flex - FydeOS - Chrome OS (Brunch) - Linux Mint - Fedora GNOME - KDE Neon - MX 21 KDE - MX 21 XFCE - MX 23 XFCE has been my main systems since 2022. :) With a lot of trying out many distros in between thru live boot. I work as a copywriter so all I need is an internet browser really.

@doodstecsonhere Thanks for the [reminder] to check out dolphin_oracle's videos. I did just, I like the cut of his jib, and I think some of the most enjoyable to watch.

Dolphin Oracle's videos right now I appreciate for being approachable, straightforward, and easy to navigate: the playlists are well arranged for the MX user looking to solve his/her confusion.

There's also an in-depth MX Linux set-up and configuration walkthrough by Staempunk TV on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO7yd5yWN7c

It's pretty good recommend if you're guiding someone else set up their MX Linux system. It helped me set up my AppImages and "timeshift-autosnap-apt".

Your mom sounds like a future Arch user maybe hahahaha.

Haha, I would be shocked if she asked me straight up to use nwg-shell (GTK3 wrapper of hyprland wm on wayland) and arch someday, but at this stage who can really tell? Her mother lived to 105!

No pressure haha. Happy to know she enjoys MX, too.

[doodstecsonhere]

For now, I went back to my ext4 snapshot install of RC3 instead of my BTRFS RC3 because of the Timeshift "failed to create snapshot" bug. Just kept a snapshot of my BTRFS RC3 install also.

My current issues/bugs with RC3:

At boot, I always get "Connected to [Wifi SSID]" notification, even though I already clicked "Don't show this message again." plenty of times at boot.

MX USB Unmounter doesn't detect my flash drive (all other tools like Thunar, Live USB Maker, and Format USB work fine), so I removed the unmounter from the panel.

Default sound output keeps getting forgotten at reboot. It keeps defaulting to my internal speakers and mic instead of HDMI and my external mic. Workaround so far is booting to systemd. Which is fine because I need systemd to get AppImages working anyway.

My QSI:

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Snapshot created on: 20230724_1119
System:
  Kernel: 6.3.0-2mx-ahs-amd64 [6.3.11-1~mx23ahs] arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.3.0-2mx-ahs-amd64 root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
    init=/lib/systemd/systemd
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: MX-23_x64 Libretto July 24  2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux 12
    (bookworm)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: SAMSUNG product: 535U3C v: P01RAG serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
    type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: SAMSUNG model: SAMSUNG_NP1234567890 v: SEC_SW_REVISION_1234567890ABCD
    serial: <superuser required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01RAG.N43.120612.LEO date: 06/12/2012
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT1 charge: 21.4 Wh (78.1%) condition: 27.4/45.1 Wh (60.7%) volts: 7.7 min: 7.4
    model: SAMSUNG Electronics type: Li-ion serial: N/A status: not charging
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard PID:0055 serial: N/A
    charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: discharging
  Device-2: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse PID:003f serial: N/A
    charge: 70% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: discharging
  Device-3: hidpp_battery_2 model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard K270 serial: <filter>
    charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD A6-4455M APU with Radeon HD Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Piledriver
    level: v2 built: 2012-13 process: GF 32nm family: 0x15 (21) model-id: 0x10 (16) stepping: 1
    microcode: 0x6001119
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: enabled cache: L1: 96 KiB desc: d-2x16 KiB; i-1x64 KiB
    L2: 2 MiB desc: 1x2 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1496 high: 1663 min/max: 1300/2100 boost: enabled scaling:
    driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1663 2: 1329 bogomips: 8384
  Flags: avx ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT vulnerable
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not
    affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Trinity [Radeon HD 7500G] vendor: Samsung Co driver: radeon v: kernel
    alternate: amdgpu arch: TeraScale-3 code: Northern Islands process: TSMC 32nm built: 2010-13
    ports: active: HDMI-A-1,LVDS-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:990a class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Z-Star Micro Vega USB 2.0 Camera. type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo
    bus-ID: 1-5.2:4 chip-ID: 0ac8:c40a class-ID: 0102
  Device-3: Silicon Motion WebCam SC-13HDL11431N type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-2:3
    chip-ID: 2232:1018 class-ID: 0e02
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X: loaded: radeon
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: r600 gpu: radeon display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.21x7.99") s-diag: 414mm (16.31")
  Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-0 pos: primary model: TV Monitor built: 2018 res: 1366x768
    hz: 60 dpi: 60 gamma: 1.2 size: 575x323mm (22.64x12.72") modes: max: 1366x768 min: 720x400
  Monitor-2: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS pos: primary model: Seiko Epson 0x3246 built: 2011 res: 1366x768
    hz: 60 dpi: 118 gamma: 1.2 size: 293x165mm (11.54x6.5") diag: 336mm (13.2") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 1366x768 min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: AMD ARUBA (DRM 2.50.0 / 6.3.0-2mx-ahs-amd64 LLVM
    15.0.6) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD Trinity HDMI Audio vendor: Samsung Co driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    bus-ID: 1-5.2:4 bus-ID: 00:01.1 chip-ID: 0ac8:c40a class-ID: 0102 chip-ID: 1002:9902
    class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD FCH Azalia vendor: Samsung Co driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.2
    chip-ID: 1022:780d class-ID: 0403
  Device-3: Z-Star Micro Vega USB 2.0 Camera. type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo
  API: ALSA v: k6.3.0-2mx-ahs-amd64 status: kernel-api tools: alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.65 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Samsung Co driver: r8169
    v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: e000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
    class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Samsung Co driver: ath9k
    v: kernel modules: wl pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:0034
    class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR3012 Bluetooth 4.0 type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 4-1:2
    chip-ID: 0cf3:3004 class-ID: e001
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 3 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.0 sub-v: 1
    hci-v: 4.1 rev: 1102
  Info: acl-mtu: 1022:8 sco-mtu: 183:5 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff
    link-mode: peripheral accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio, telephony
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 140.44 GiB used: 25.55 GiB (18.2%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: SanDisk model: SDSSDA120G size: 111.79 GiB block-size:
    physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 70RL scheme: MBR
  ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 type: USB vendor: SanDisk model: USB 3.2Gen1 size: 28.65 GiB
    block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
  SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 111.79 GiB size: 109.47 GiB (97.93%) used: 25.55 GiB (23.3%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 3 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 file: /swap/swap
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 61.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 55.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 2331 libs: 1216 tools: apt,apt-get,aptitude,nala,synaptic pm: rpm
    pkgs: 0 pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/megasync.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/meganz-archive-keyring.gpg] https://mega.nz/linux/repo/Debian_testing/ ./
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft-edge.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
    1: deb http://mirror.rise.ph/mxlinux-pkg/mx/repo/ bookworm main non-free
    2: deb http://mirror.rise.ph/mxlinux-pkg/mx/repo/ bookworm ahs
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list
    1: deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/teamviewer-keyring.gpg] https://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable main
Info:
  Processes: 217 Uptime: 16m wakeups: 9 Memory: 7.23 GiB used: 1.8 GiB (24.9%) Init: systemd v: 252
  target: graphical (5) default: graphical tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 alt: 12
  Client: shell wrapper v: 5.2.15-release inxi: 3.3.26
Boot Mode: BIOS (legacy, CSM, MBR)

Update: I got a new workaround to At boot, I always get "Connected to [Wifi SSID]" notification, even though I already clicked "Don't show this message again." plenty of times at boot. problem: I just removed the nm-applets notification manually with gui via the Notifications app > Applications > org.freedesktop.networkmanager-applet > Mute Application + Don't Include In Log

[doodstecsonhere]

@DoodMann

fstab acutally looks correct.

**edit*** no, SWAP should be swap (lowercase) in the /etc/fstab. make that change and

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sudo swapon -a

and check free again.

@dolphin_oracle If I remember correctly, it was cased SWAP by default in the installer when you specify a swap partition by default (as I didn't want to modify anything as much as possible coming from only regular installs before), it should be "swap" instead of "SWAP", right? Looks like something the dev team can control on their end so the installer defaults to "swap" instead of "SWAP", so no more needing to modify the fstab file after install.

In any case, the fstab mod was a success for my swap partition. :)