Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Recently a user requested a Virtualbox update, it had been released upstream in Debian Sid two days prior and was packaged for MX... two days!!
Pure Debian Stable and MX Linux are not in the same universe at all as far as timely Packaging of most common things with the exception of complete Desktop Environments... MX totally allows you to have your cake and eat it too. Anyone who thinks MX is as static and so-called 'old' as it's Debian Stable parentage isn't paying attention at all...
Many people will throw out an entire functional and secure Operating System for an ephemeral new application or update, these types of people bandy about words like 'old' and 'stable' and look down their noses only to be seen later in a forum post or with some other OS moaning because they borked their system... These are not usually 'community-minded' people and will always be after the next shiny thing... their commitment is usually as ephemeral as their taste in software so their naysaying about 'old' should really not have attention paid... If they used MX longer than 10 minutes they might know between the backports and MX Test Repo you will enjoy as much blending of stability and upgrades as you can anywhere..
Pure Debian Stable and MX Linux are not in the same universe at all as far as timely Packaging of most common things with the exception of complete Desktop Environments... MX totally allows you to have your cake and eat it too. Anyone who thinks MX is as static and so-called 'old' as it's Debian Stable parentage isn't paying attention at all...
Many people will throw out an entire functional and secure Operating System for an ephemeral new application or update, these types of people bandy about words like 'old' and 'stable' and look down their noses only to be seen later in a forum post or with some other OS moaning because they borked their system... These are not usually 'community-minded' people and will always be after the next shiny thing... their commitment is usually as ephemeral as their taste in software so their naysaying about 'old' should really not have attention paid... If they used MX longer than 10 minutes they might know between the backports and MX Test Repo you will enjoy as much blending of stability and upgrades as you can anywhere..
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Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Well said!
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Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Right! And the MX Package Installer neatly summarizes all the options, so it is easy for any user. Compare that to other distros where the different package sources are all over the place, eg. snaps, flatpaks, repository packages, and so on. MX thought of what all other distros didn't, that's what sets it apart.
Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Ah! An afterthought! I think if there are any avenues for MX linux to explore and possibly catch up in it is ... (wait for it!)
mobile devices such as phones, tablets, ....
There must be some good opportunities there? No?
Well, especially now when there are new directives, rules, laws, whatever about all product things computer related with monopoly or oligopoly in the market.
Maybe some assessment of where MX linux can be placed under the new market rules is a good thing?
Some explanation here https://youtu.be/LrEbmUGTwQY?t=108 or for the click-shy user search you tube on LrEbmUGTwQY and look for the start of Chapter 3 about 108 seconds in
mobile devices such as phones, tablets, ....
There must be some good opportunities there? No?
Well, especially now when there are new directives, rules, laws, whatever about all product things computer related with monopoly or oligopoly in the market.
Maybe some assessment of where MX linux can be placed under the new market rules is a good thing?
Some explanation here https://youtu.be/LrEbmUGTwQY?t=108 or for the click-shy user search you tube on LrEbmUGTwQY and look for the start of Chapter 3 about 108 seconds in
Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
I don't care about mobile devices in the slightest, but maybe some do, so it is a good thought.
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Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Coming from (and still using) Slackware, I've learned to just create my own packages, install, and maintain them. There is plenty of documentation on how to do this, you just need to spend the time learning. So, for all the applications that I want the latest stable version of and they are not found in the repos, I'll just create my own. Its not rocket science.
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Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
I'm sure the devs would be happy to have your contributions be made available.bassplayer69 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:39 pm Coming from (and still using) Slackware, I've learned to just create my own packages, install, and maintain them. There is plenty of documentation on how to do this, you just need to spend the time learning. So, for all the applications that I want the latest stable version of and they are not found in the repos, I'll just create my own. Its not rocket science.
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Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Any pointers for the keen hearted but unsure of how to proceed?bassplayer69 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:39 pm Coming from (and still using) Slackware, I've learned to just create my own packages, install, and maintain them. There is plenty of documentation on how to do this, you just need to spend the time learning. So, for all the applications that I want the latest stable version of and they are not found in the repos, I'll just create my own. Its not rocket science.
Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Another thought ... MinisForum UM350 type mini-PCs as the lounge based set top box with wifi/bt keyboard with included touchpad to assist any and all lounge lizards.
Check email on tv - back to 'net tv sort of thing.
I mean IF Amazon TV cannot be limited to Amazon tv dongles and so forth ... And other providers cannot be tied in to their own hardware (everyone looks at Apple) that is surely any lounge lizard or sofa surfers dream. No? Here is a link to MinisForum ... https://store.minisforum.com/products/um350
And no, I am not affiliated in anyway with MinisForum - no pecuniary interests at all apart from sofa surfing
Check email on tv - back to 'net tv sort of thing.
I mean IF Amazon TV cannot be limited to Amazon tv dongles and so forth ... And other providers cannot be tied in to their own hardware (everyone looks at Apple) that is surely any lounge lizard or sofa surfers dream. No? Here is a link to MinisForum ... https://store.minisforum.com/products/um350
And no, I am not affiliated in anyway with MinisForum - no pecuniary interests at all apart from sofa surfing
Re: Debian (and by extension, MX) is often called too old. What is your response to this?
Here's a good intro:Aronticuz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:49 pmAny pointers for the keen hearted but unsure of how to proceed?bassplayer69 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:39 pm Coming from (and still using) Slackware, I've learned to just create my own packages, install, and maintain them. There is plenty of documentation on how to do this, you just need to spend the time learning. So, for all the applications that I want the latest stable version of and they are not found in the repos, I'll just create my own. Its not rocket science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anJ1bMSAm8w
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