Distrowatch review grumbles

[LU344928]

...
what did XFCE do to deserve such vitriol?

Thunar?

I see its latest incarnation is an improvement, but still...

[Stevo]

- strangely configured kernel and distro which causes CPU to heat like crazy even when you do nothing
- strangely configured firefox browser which causes CPU to heat like crazy even when you do nothing

Or maybe your strangely configured mind is spewing BS, since it's the stock Debian kernel and a generic Firefox from Mozilla that's in MX...not that facts mean anything to a troll.

[davemx]

Or maybe your strangely configured mind is spewing BS, since it's the stock Debian kernel and a generic Firefox from Mozilla that's in MX...not that facts mean anything to a troll.

As long as MX is top of the Distrowatch hits per day, it will be trolled. I was a moderator at PCLinuxOS years ago when it was #1 on DW, and it was even worse back then, with troll reviews at DW and troll posts on its help site. You may have a few here but of course I won't see them if the mods do their job.

[timkb4cq]

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Also, they do the same thing as Mint a couple of years ago, in synaptic and their own packageinstaller dependencies are not automatic installed. 

Now you're just flat out lying

Not deliberately, IMHO. Debian, by default, installs Depends: and Recommends:. MX doesn't automatically install Recommends:. That keeps it leaner but leaves some applications missing functionality unless the user installs those optional packages.
I have no problem with either default but I can understand why some (especially noobie) users don't like our default behavior.

[Stevo]

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Also, they do the same thing as Mint a couple of years ago, in synaptic and their own packageinstaller dependencies are not automatic installed. 

Now you're just flat out lying

Not deliberately, IMHO. Debian, by default, installs Depends: and Recommends:. MX doesn't automatically install Recommends:. That keeps it leaner but leaves some applications missing functionality unless the user installs those optional packages.
I have no problem with either default but I can understand why some (especially noobie) users don't like our default behavior.

Yeah, but you have to wonder if they are conflating actual dependencies and packages that only recommended in bad faith, or don't know the difference.

[siamhie]

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Also, they do the same thing as Mint a couple of years ago, in synaptic and their own packageinstaller dependencies are not automatic installed. 

Now you're just flat out lying

Not deliberately, IMHO. Debian, by default, installs Depends: and Recommends:. MX doesn't automatically install Recommends:. That keeps it leaner but leaves some applications missing functionality unless the user installs those optional packages.
I have no problem with either default but I can understand why some (especially noobie) users don't like our default behavior.

I read the review as dependencies are not installed by default leading to the belief that things will break. Especially after they just made this comment prior to their dependency statement.

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It has a couple of quirks you must know your way around. Only one example, after a fresh installation I couldn't reach my second and third hard drive. 
I had to type my password. I had to use some drive utility to give access to those drives. You don't need that in others distro's. This has to be fixed.

I've never had to use a 'drive utility' to access my second nvme drive or sata backup hardrive. I just typed in my password (Thunar/Dolphin) and the drive gets mounted.

[colin_b]

Version: 21.1
Rating: 3
Date: 2022-06-22
Votes: 0

Nice distro but it is very slow

I have tried it with XFCE Desktop Environment and it is very slow
I have Core i5 1st gen 8GB ram. Even Windows OS is faster than MX LINUX...

I've been using MX 21 xfce on an old laptop...

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Snapshot created on: 20211215_1132
System:    Kernel: 5.10.0-15-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-15-amd64 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm 4.16.1 vt: 7 
           dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: MX-21.1_x64 Wildflower October 20  2021 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP 255 G6 Notebook PC v: Type1ProductConfigId 
           serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: HP model: 8330 v: 27.35 serial: <filter> UEFI: Insyde v: F.53 date: 06/19/2020 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 19.1 Wh (68.2%) condition: 28.0/31.1 Wh (90.0%) volts: 12.6 
           min: 11.1 model: Hewlett-Packard PABAS0241231 type: Li-ion serial: <filter> 
           status: Charging 
CPU:       Info: Dual Core model: AMD A6-9220 RADEON R4 5 COMPUTE CORES 2C+3G bits: 64 type: MCP 
           arch: Excavator family: 15 (21) model-id: 70 (112) stepping: 0 microcode: 6006705 
           cache: L2: 1024 KiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 9981 
           Speed: 1796 MHz min/max: 1300/2500 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1796 
           2: 1805 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
           Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass 
           mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: AMD Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: amdgpu v: kernel bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:98e4 class-ID: 0300 
           Device-2: Realtek HP Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-1:2 
           chip-ID: 0bda:58ed class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter> 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 compositor: compton v: 1 driver: loaded: amdgpu 
           display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1366x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 361x203mm (14.2x8.0") 
           s-diag: 414mm (16.3") 
           Monitor-1: eDP res: 1366x768 hz: 60 dpi: 101 size: 344x193mm (13.5x7.6") 
           diag: 394mm (15.5") 
           OpenGL: renderer: AMD STONEY (DRM 3.40.0 5.10.0-15-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) 
           v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: AMD vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:01.1 
           chip-ID: 1002:15b3 class-ID: 0403 
           Device-2: AMD Family 15h Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus-ID: 00:09.2 chip-ID: 1022:157a class-ID: 0403 
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.0-15-amd64 running: yes 
           Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: yes 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 3000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 
           chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8821CE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Lenovo 
           driver: rtl8821ce v: v5.5.2.1_35598.20191029 modules: rtw88_8821ce,wl port: 2000 
           bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:c821 class-ID: 0280 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-3: Huawei HUAWEI_MOBILE type: USB driver: cdc_ether bus-ID: 1-1.1:6 
           chip-ID: 12d1:1591 class-ID: 0a00 
           IF: eth1 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter> 
Bluetooth: Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-1.4:4 
           chip-ID: 0bda:c024 class-ID: e001 serial: <filter> 
           Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 2 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.2 
           sub-v: 7644 hci-v: 4.2 rev: 829a 
           Info: acl-mtu: 1021:8 sco-mtu: 255:12 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park 
           link-mode: slave accept service-classes: rendering, capturing, audio 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 11.52 GiB (1.2%) 
           SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
           ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Toshiba model: MQ01ABD100 size: 931.51 GiB 
           block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5400 
           serial: <filter> rev: 4C scheme: GPT 
Partition: ID-1: / raw-size: 195.31 GiB size: 191.19 GiB (97.89%) used: 10.64 GiB (5.6%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 
           ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 512 MiB size: 511 MiB (99.80%) used: 288 KiB (0.1%) 
           fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 
           ID-3: /home raw-size: 731.7 GiB size: 719.15 GiB (98.28%) used: 900.1 MiB (0.1%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4 maj-min: 8:4 
Swap:      Kernel: swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache-pressure: 100 (default) 
           ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 4 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 
           dev: /dev/sda3 maj-min: 8:3 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 62.0 C mobo: 20.0 C gpu: amdgpu temp: 60.0 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2196 lib: 1155 flatpak: 0 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/librewolf.list 
           1: deb [arch=amd64] http://deb.librewolf.net bullseye main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/packages/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
Info:      Processes: 206 Uptime: 4h 46m wakeups: 3 Memory: 3.73 GiB used: 1.81 GiB (48.4%) 
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 
           alt: 10 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running-in: quick-system-info-mx 
           inxi: 3.3.06 
Boot Mode: UEFI

...and it seems the Action Buttons are adding a significant load to the CPU when they are added to the places bar.

When the Action Buttons are not on the places bar the CPU runs at roughly 1 percent when nothing else is running.

When the Action Buttons suspend and shut down are added to the places bar the CPU usage jumps to >30 percent with nothing else running.

If there's a bug in the Action Buttons it could explain the problem in the Distrowatch review.

[handy]

LOL

Fantastic! I've been looking forward to your return... :D lol

[colin_b]

I had some serious health problems which landed me in hospital for months.

I'm now in a respite home and using MX on an old laptop, that's how I came across the issue.

I'm hoping to escape the respite home in the near future.

[Stevo]

I was expecting EndeavourOS to continue its rise and eventually supplant MX at the top of the unofficial click-through charts, but it seems they stalled out for some reason, so we'll be forced to continue to shoulder the heavy burden of being on top.

But as the movie line goes, "This is the business we've chosen."