MX-21 RC1 feedback (Xfce)

[Eadwine Rose]

I have a to-snort-about thing going on.

When you have logged in MX Welcome appears, I leave that there for convenience until I am done setting things up.
I have save session ticked when I go to reboot, and I have to do that a few times after installing stuff.

My MX Welcome appears anew each time after I log in. So.. you can see where this is going:

Screenshot_2021-10-06_20-43-50.png

I didn't see this at first because they are stacked exactly on top of each other.

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System:    Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-amd64 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-21_rc1_x64 Wildflower October 5  2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: TUF B450-PLUS GAMING v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter> 
           UEFI: American Megatrends v: 1607 date: 06/17/2019 
Battery:   Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech MX Ergo Multi-Device Trackball 
           serial: <filter> charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes 
           status: Discharging 
CPU:       Topology: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ 
           family: 17 (23) model-id: 8 stepping: 2 microcode: 800820D L2 cache: 4096 KiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
           bogomips: 102207 
           Speed: 1395 MHz min/max: 1550/3200 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1375 
           2: 1374 3: 1371 4: 1370 5: 1270 6: 1807 7: 1269 8: 2790 9: 1373 10: 1372 11: 1270 
           12: 1670 13: 1268 14: 2794 15: 1372 16: 1374 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
           Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass 
           mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nouveau 
           v: kernel bus ID: 08:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1c82 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: NV137 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Conexant Systems CX23887/8 PCIe Broadcast Audio and Video Decoder with 3D 
           Comb 
           vendor: Hauppauge works driver: cx23885 v: 0.0.4 bus ID: 07:00.0 chip ID: 14f1:8880 
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP107GL High Definition Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus ID: 08:00.1 chip ID: 10de:0fb9 
           Device-3: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 0a:00.3 chip ID: 1022:1457 
           Device-4: Logitech QuickCam E 3500 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo 
           bus ID: 1-7:3 chip ID: 046d:09a4 serial: <filter> 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-8-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: ASUSTeK PRIME B450M-A driver: r8169 v: kernel port: f000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           chip ID: 10ec:8168 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Ralink MT7601U Wireless Adapter type: USB driver: mt7601u bus ID: 1-1:2 
           chip ID: 148f:7601 serial: <filter> 
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.82 TiB used: 94.34 GiB (5.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 2B6Q scheme: GPT 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 2B6Q scheme: GPT 
           ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 3B6Q scheme: GPT 
           ID-4: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: Seagate model: ST1000LM035-1RK172 size: 931.51 GiB 
           block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B rotation: 5400 rpm serial: <filter> 
           rev: 0109 scheme: MBR 
           ID-5: /dev/sde vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 3B6Q scheme: GPT 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 58.59 GiB size: 57.37 GiB (97.92%) used: 5.99 GiB (10.4%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda2 
           ID-2: /home raw size: 165.99 GiB size: 162.33 GiB (97.79%) used: 61.3 MiB (0.0%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 7.81 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda3 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 41.1 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 33 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 879 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://nl.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
Info:      Processes: 360 Uptime: 1m Memory: 31.36 GiB used: 1.20 GiB (3.8%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: quick-system-in 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

I know about the nvidia driver. Haven't gotten around to that bit yet

[figueroa]

No longer any way around having client side decorations? My favorite feature of MX-21 betas was being able to turn off CSD.

[SwampRabbit]

@markol awesome thank you for the info! old hardware working OOTB is just as important as new hardware

[SwampRabbit]

No longer any way around having client side decorations? My favorite feature of MX-21 betas was being able to turn off CSD.

you can still do it I believe, just not OOTB

last I knew, there wasn't a reliable and stable way around it, I know others were looking at the options and what not.

that feature may have been a favorite for many, until all hell broke loose and it caused more issues than it did anything else

[dolphin_oracle]

No longer any way around having client side decorations? My favorite feature of MX-21 betas was being able to turn off CSD.

the switches in mx-tweak are still available, but you'll need to install gtk3-nocsd on your own. performance of that library was iffy and I do not consider it good enough to ship by default.

[Stuart_M]

Here is an anomaly with the keyboard in LibreOffice, Featherpad, and Geany in MX-21_rc1.

In a text document using any of the above applications, the correct behavior when using Shift+Ctrl+Arrow is to highlight and advance the cursor left or right one word at a time.

The problem in MX-21_rc1 is that the right Shift+Ctrl+Arrow key combination will highlight and advance the cursor left or right only one character at a time.

The right Ctrl+Arrow works correctly, advancing the cursor one word at a time but without highlighting.

The left Shift+Ctrl+Arrow and LCtrl+Arrow combination works correctly.

This was not a problem in MX-21_beta1 or beta2, only rc1.

[dreamer]

No longer any way around having client side decorations? My favorite feature of MX-21 betas was being able to turn off CSD.

Just use libxfce4ui-nocsd like everyone else. Even SwampRabbit posted a screenshot showing libxfce4ui-nocsd so I don't know why he pretends it doesn't exist.

viewtopic.php?p=653087#p653087
https://imgur.com/a/pwJO0Pb

I explained it here so everyone (including MX devs) would understand how easy it is to turn off CSDs in Xfce 4.16 without any bugs or side effects. Sigh.
viewtopic.php?p=652602#p652602

[dolphin_oracle]

Here is an anomaly with the keyboard in LibreOffice, Featherpad, and Geany in MX-21_rc1.

In a text document using any of the above applications, the correct behavior when using Shift+Ctrl+Arrow is to highlight and advance the cursor left or right one word at a time.

The problem in MX-21_rc1 is that the right Shift+Ctrl+Arrow key combination will highlight and advance the cursor left or right only one character at a time.

The right Ctrl+Arrow works correctly, advancing the cursor one word at a time but without highlighting.

The left Shift+Ctrl+Arrow and LCtrl+Arrow combination works correctly.

This was not a problem in MX-21_beta1 or beta2, only rc1.

right shift + rcntrol is the X keyboard command to shift keyboards, I thought that was also true on beta2. you can change that in the system keyboard app

[markol]

@markol awesome thank you for the info! old hardware working OOTB is just as important as new hardware

No problems here, Asus EEE 1000HG. Took me just over an hour to set things up.
Performance is ok as long as I don't use the machine for anything video related

Oh... and one more thing regarding the small screen: Alt+click now works (I have no idea why it didn't work before)

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System:    Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.0-8-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: N/A 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-686-pae 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash 
           init=/lib/systemd/systemd 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-21_rc1_386 Wildflower October 5  2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: ASUSTeK product: 1000HG v: x.x serial: <filter> 
           Chassis: ASUSTek Computer INC. type: 10 v: x.x serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: ASUSTeK model: 1000HG v: x.xx serial: <filter> BIOS: American Megatrends 
           v: 0703 date: 06/11/2009 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 45.8 Wh condition: 45.8/55.3 Wh (83%) volts: 8.4/8.4 
           model: ASUS 1000HG type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Full 
CPU:       Topology: Single Core model: Intel Atom N270 bits: 32 type: MT arch: Bonnell 
           family: 6 model-id: 1C (28) stepping: 2 microcode: 218 L2 cache: 512 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 6399 
           Speed: 1503 MHz min/max: 800/1600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1148 2: 1015 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
           Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v1 status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v2 status: Not affected 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics vendor: ASUSTeK 
           driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:27ae 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1024x600~65Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio vendor: ASUSTeK 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:27d8 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-8-686-pae 
Network:   Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter 
           vendor: AzureWave AW-GE780 802.11bg driver: ath5k v: kernel port: ffa0 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 168c:001c 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet 
           vendor: ASUSTeK driver: ATL1E v: N/A port: ec00 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 1969:1026 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 223.57 GiB used: 5.70 GiB (2.5%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: SA400S37240G size: 223.57 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: <unknown> serial: <filter> rev: B1E1 
           scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 220.56 GiB size: 216.04 GiB (97.95%) used: 5.70 GiB (2.6%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda1 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 3.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 61.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1160 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb https://ftp.arnes.si/mirrors/mxlinux/packages/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
Info:      Processes: 189 Uptime: 21m Memory: 1.96 GiB used: 727.3 MiB (36.3%) Init: systemd 
           v: 247 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: quick-system-in 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

[figueroa]

No longer any way around having client side decorations? My favorite feature of MX-21 betas was being able to turn off CSD.

the switches in mx-tweak are still available, but you'll need to install gtk3-nocsd on your own. performance of that library was iffy and I do not consider it good enough to ship by default.

Thank you DO. I've been quite pleased with it. I thought it was like having a magic key, though I did not realize it was a separate library. I'll experiment with it in the rc1. Will advise of any issues.