MX-21 fluxbox beta 2 feedback thread

[JayM]

Not now--where in the world would I find the time?!

There just aren't enough hours in the day, are there? I only asked because I recently ordered my first Pi, a 3 B+, for a project I'm working on but thought I'd try MX Fluxbox on it first if there was one for Pis.

[JayM]

I just installed it on my old netbook. Installation took around 40 minutes due to the slowness of this machine but it boots up and seems to work. I'll need to set it up like I had it before with MX-19.4, preventing unneeded services from starting and installing Falkon then configuring Fluxbox to use it instead of Firefox. Meanwhile it doesn't seem to be any slower than MX-19.4 with Fluxbox.

Quick System Info's not being copied to the clipboard if I close the terminal before pasting for some reason, or it is but won't paste. Not sure what's up with that.

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System:    Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.0-8-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: N/A 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-686-pae 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash 
           Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.7 info: tint2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-21_fluxbox_beta2_386 Wildflower September 04  2021 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Other-vm? System: AVERATEC product: N1130 v: N/A serial: <filter> 
           Chassis: No Enclosure type: 1 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: AVERATEC model: N1130 serial: <filter> BIOS: Phoenix 
           v: NAPA0001.86C.0056.D.0907311757 date: 07/31/09 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 0 Wh condition: N/A/2.1 Wh volts: 12.1/11.1 model: AVERATEC N1130 
           type: Li-ion serial: N/A status: Unknown 
CPU:       Topology: Single Core model: Intel Atom N270 bits: 32 type: MT arch: Bonnell 
           family: 6 model-id: 1C (28) stepping: 2 microcode: 218 L2 cache: 512 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 6384 
           Speed: 1199 MHz min/max: 800/1600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1148 2: 1209 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
           Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v1 status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v2 status: Not affected 
           Type: srbds status: Not affected 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:27ae 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1024x600~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:27d8 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-8-686-pae 
Network:   Device-1: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 
           port: 18e0 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 1814:3090 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet driver: r8169 v: kernel 
           port: 2000 bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8136 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 111.79 GiB used: 4.28 GiB (3.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Gigabyte model: GP-GSTFS31120GNTD size: 111.79 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: <unknown> serial: <filter> rev: 61.3 
           scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 111.63 GiB size: 109.32 GiB (97.93%) used: 4.28 GiB (3.9%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda1 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 128.0 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb https://mirror.pregi.net/mx-linux-packages/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
Info:      Processes: 174 Uptime: 8m Memory: 1.96 GiB used: 744.7 MiB (37.1%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: quick-system-in 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

Do you still have a clipboard manager running?

The x clipboard in use by fluxbox is pretty basic and when apps close their clipboard data tends to vanish with them.

I'll check on this when I get time and get back to you. I haven't forgotten, just been busy with other things.

[Jerry3904]

Look for this in startup

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#place clipboard on the toolbar
xfce4-clipman &

[PPC]

I'm testing MXFB b2 in VM, in Live mode on a 1024 x7xx screen, so my virtualized MXFB is not that very hi-res- this made me notice something that makes tint2 toolbar harder to use for people with not very hi-res screens that multi task and run more than 3-4 apps at the same time- Since the default tint2 config is not as wide as the screen, and it reserves space for each of the 2 default workspaces, this means that if you open several windows, the taskbar ends up showing only blank spaces, and not the window's icon... That confused me the first time I noticed it, because that's not how my tint2 setup handles the situation - I display only icons (not icons and window's names), and if I open many windows, all icons are displayed on the toolbar, but just get resized to be smaller, and smaller...
This much talk just to describe a small hindrance in using the default task bar, I know, I know...

Anyway, I'm writing here and poking around tint2config to try to find an easy way around that... "Taskbar" > "hide taskbars for empty desktops" or "distribute size..." helps a bit, reclaming a bit more space for the stuff that's being displayed in the taskbar...
For me, the best way to solve this is "task buttons" > "appearance" > and untick "center text"

While I was at it, I went to "task buttons" > "appearance" > tick "thumbnails"- to show previews of the windows when I hover on them on the taskbar- just because I like this feature :-)

@Jerry3904 I'm not going to try to make dock-basic-tint2 match, as closely as possible the default toolbar, and try to send you that as soon as possible...

[Jerry3904]

OK, thanks. I have to have it before we go to RC, which is not far off now, or it can't get in.

[PPC]

OK, thanks. I have to have it before we go to RC, which is not far off now, or it can't get in.

Sure thing, there you are
It's as close as I could make it, in a hurry:

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### Created 2021 by the MX community for MX-Fluxbox and released under GPLv3 ###

#---- Generated by tint2conf 15e7 ----
# See https://gitlab.com/o9000/tint2/wikis/Configure for 
# full documentation of the configuration options.
#-------------------------------------
# Gradients
#-------------------------------------
# Backgrounds
# Background 1: Launcher
rounded = 5
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #111111 100
border_color = #333333 100
background_color_hover = #111111 100
border_color_hover = #333333 100
background_color_pressed = #111111 100
border_color_pressed = #333333 100

# Background 2: Launcher icon
rounded = 0
border_width = 3
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #111111 100
border_color = #111111 100
background_color_hover = #111111 100
border_color_hover = #555555 100
background_color_pressed = #333333 100
border_color_pressed = #555555 100

# Background 3: Panel
rounded = 3
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #222222 100
border_color = #777777 100
background_color_hover = #222222 100
border_color_hover = #777777 100
background_color_pressed = #333333 100
border_color_pressed = #777777 100

# Background 4: 
rounded = 2
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #ffffaa 100
border_color = #999999 100
background_color_hover = #ffffaa 100
border_color_hover = #999999 100
background_color_pressed = #ffffaa 100
border_color_pressed = #999999 100

#-------------------------------------
# Panel
panel_items = L
panel_size = 60% 44
panel_margin = 0 0
panel_padding = 7 1 2
panel_background_id = 3
wm_menu = 1
panel_dock = 0
panel_pivot_struts = 0
panel_position = center left vertical
panel_layer = normal
panel_monitor = all
panel_shrink = 1
autohide = 0
autohide_show_timeout = 0.1
autohide_hide_timeout = 0.5
autohide_height = 1
strut_policy = follow_size
panel_window_name = tint2
disable_transparency = 0
mouse_effects = 1
font_shadow = 0
mouse_hover_icon_asb = 100 0 20
mouse_pressed_icon_asb = 100 0 -5
scale_relative_to_dpi = 0
scale_relative_to_screen_height = 0

#-------------------------------------
# Taskbar
taskbar_mode = single_desktop
taskbar_hide_if_empty = 0
taskbar_padding = 0 0 0
taskbar_background_id = -1
taskbar_active_background_id = -1
taskbar_name = 0
taskbar_hide_inactive_tasks = 0
taskbar_hide_different_monitor = 0
taskbar_hide_different_desktop = 0
taskbar_always_show_all_desktop_tasks = 0
taskbar_name_padding = 0 0
taskbar_name_background_id = -1
taskbar_name_active_background_id = -1
taskbar_name_font_color = #000000 100
taskbar_name_active_font_color = #000000 100
taskbar_distribute_size = 0
taskbar_sort_order = none
task_align = left

#-------------------------------------
# Launcher
launcher_padding = 0 0 2
launcher_background_id = 1
launcher_icon_background_id = 2
launcher_icon_size = 28
launcher_icon_asb = 100 0 0
launcher_icon_theme_override = 0
startup_notifications = 1
launcher_tooltip = 1
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/xfce4-appfinder-mxfb.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/mx-tools.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/custom-toolbox-mxfb.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/thunar.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/yelp.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/roxterm.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/Quick_System_Info.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/deadbeef.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
#launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/exit-options.desktop


#-------------------------------------
# Tooltip
tooltip_show_timeout = 0.5
tooltip_hide_timeout = 0.1
tooltip_padding = 2 2
tooltip_background_id = 0
tooltip_font_color = #dddddd 100
tooltip_font = sans 9

PS: I found a brazilian reviewer testing MXFB beta, 32 bits version, on Youtube- he loved it, how fast it was, etc... But he was struggling to find how to install it... And all the I was thinking: "But.... but there's an INSTALL icon right in the middle of the screen!" - he used xfce launcher to start mxfb welcome and then launch the installer- and I was... What the...? Maybe the "Install" icon should be even more clear? Something like "To Install MX Linux in your computer, click here"? Just kidding, but maybe "Install MX Linux" could be more helpfull...

P.

[Jerry3904]

Thanks.

I dunno, if "Install" doesn't do it ... Maybe "Install MX" ?

[PPC]

@Jerry3904

I adapted the tint2 "dock" config, improving some things- I noticed mxfb-quickshot could not be added because it lacks a .desktop file (I removed the icon I used in the previous version of the config, because it just quick system info)... Do you want me to create a .desktop file for quickshot, based on the command and icon from the default toolbar?

Also changed: I made the toolbar 100% width, with auto adjust, so users can add as many icons as fit in there, without bothering to readjust it's size... I changed the icon's size, and tweaked some bits, to make it look more like the original dock...

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#---- Generated by tint2conf 3852 ----
# See https://gitlab.com/o9000/tint2/wikis/Configure for 
# full documentation of the configuration options.
#-------------------------------------
# Gradients
#-------------------------------------
# Backgrounds
# Background 1: Launcher
rounded = 5
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #111111 100
border_color = #333333 100
background_color_hover = #111111 100
border_color_hover = #333333 100
background_color_pressed = #111111 100
border_color_pressed = #333333 100

# Background 2: Launcher icon
rounded = 0
border_width = 3
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #111111 100
border_color = #111111 100
background_color_hover = #111111 100
border_color_hover = #555555 100
background_color_pressed = #333333 100
border_color_pressed = #555555 100

# Background 3: 
rounded = 3
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #222222 100
border_color = #777777 100
background_color_hover = #222222 100
border_color_hover = #777777 100
background_color_pressed = #333333 100
border_color_pressed = #777777 100

# Background 4: Panel
rounded = 2
border_width = 1
border_sides = TBLR
border_content_tint_weight = 0
background_content_tint_weight = 0
background_color = #ffffaa 100
border_color = #999999 100
background_color_hover = #ffffaa 100
border_color_hover = #999999 100
background_color_pressed = #ffffaa 100
border_color_pressed = #999999 100

#-------------------------------------
# Panel
panel_items = L
panel_size = 100% 51
panel_margin = 0 0
panel_padding = 1 1 42
panel_background_id = 4
wm_menu = 1
panel_dock = 0
panel_pivot_struts = 0
panel_position = center left vertical
panel_layer = bottom
panel_monitor = all
panel_shrink = 1
autohide = 0
autohide_show_timeout = 0.1
autohide_hide_timeout = 0.5
autohide_height = 1
strut_policy = none
panel_window_name = tint2
disable_transparency = 0
mouse_effects = 1
font_shadow = 0
mouse_hover_icon_asb = 99 0 20
mouse_pressed_icon_asb = 100 9 -5
scale_relative_to_dpi = 0
scale_relative_to_screen_height = 0

#-------------------------------------
# Taskbar
taskbar_mode = single_desktop
taskbar_hide_if_empty = 0
taskbar_padding = 0 0 0
taskbar_background_id = 0
taskbar_active_background_id = 0
taskbar_name = 0
taskbar_hide_inactive_tasks = 0
taskbar_hide_different_monitor = 0
taskbar_hide_different_desktop = 0
taskbar_always_show_all_desktop_tasks = 0
taskbar_name_padding = 0 0
taskbar_name_background_id = 0
taskbar_name_active_background_id = 0
taskbar_name_font_color = #000000 100
taskbar_name_active_font_color = #000000 100
taskbar_distribute_size = 0
taskbar_sort_order = none
task_align = left

#-------------------------------------
# Task
task_text = 0
task_icon = 0
task_centered = 0
urgent_nb_of_blink = 0
task_maximum_size = 0 0
task_padding = 0 0 0
task_tooltip = 0
task_thumbnail = 0
task_thumbnail_size = 210
mouse_left = toggle_iconify
mouse_middle = none
mouse_right = close
mouse_scroll_up = none
mouse_scroll_down = none

#-------------------------------------
# System tray (notification area)
systray_padding = 0 0 0
systray_background_id = 0
systray_sort = ascending
systray_icon_size = 0
systray_icon_asb = 100 0 0
systray_monitor = primary
systray_name_filter = 

#-------------------------------------
# Launcher
launcher_padding = 0 0 2
launcher_background_id = 1
launcher_icon_background_id = 2
launcher_icon_size = 36
launcher_icon_asb = 100 0 0
launcher_icon_theme_override = 0
startup_notifications = 1
launcher_tooltip = 1
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/xfce4-appfinder-mxfb.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/mx-tools.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/custom-toolbox-mxfb.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/thunar.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/Help.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/roxterm.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/deadbeef.desktop
launcher_item_app = /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

#-------------------------------------
# Clock
time1_format = 
time2_format = 
time1_timezone = 
time2_timezone = 
clock_font_color = #000000 100
clock_padding = 0 0
clock_background_id = 0
clock_tooltip = 
clock_tooltip_timezone = 
clock_lclick_command = 
clock_rclick_command = 
clock_mclick_command = 
clock_uwheel_command = 
clock_dwheel_command = 

#-------------------------------------
# Battery
battery_tooltip = 1
battery_low_status = 0
battery_low_cmd = 
battery_full_cmd = 
battery_font_color = #000000 100
bat1_format = 
bat2_format = 
battery_padding = 0 0
battery_background_id = 0
battery_hide = 101
battery_lclick_command = 
battery_rclick_command = 
battery_mclick_command = 
battery_uwheel_command = 
battery_dwheel_command = 
ac_connected_cmd = 
ac_disconnected_cmd = 

#-------------------------------------
# Tooltip
tooltip_show_timeout = 0.5
tooltip_hide_timeout = 0.1
tooltip_padding = 2 2
tooltip_background_id = 0
tooltip_font_color = #dddddd 100
tooltip_font = sans 9

Edit: I changed the config, so the toolbar is displayed on the bottom layer, and windows can be maximized over it... Just like the original MXFB dock config.

P.

[siamhie]

Thanks.

I dunno, if "Install" doesn't do it ... Maybe "Install MX" ?

That would be more clear to someone new to Linux and/or MX Linux in general. Having tried various live ISO distros before settling on MX Linux, they all one thing in common...when it came to installing the OS, they would have an icon say Install <insert distro name>. I knew what the black Install icon stood for but others may not, as it was pointed out.

[Jerry3904]

Thanks. Made the change.