MX-21 beta 1 feedback thread

[Red_Stag]

Dear All,

Installed MX-21 beta 1 one a Dell Optiplex 9020 (details below) today. I elected a simple install, didn't do anything fancy or complicated, it worked perfectly. Also did a system update afterwards and again, worked perfectly.

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System:    Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-8-amd64 
           root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.16.0 tk: Gtk 3.24.24 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-21_beta1_x64 Wildflower July 27  2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Dell product: OptiPlex 9020 v: 00 serial: <filter> Chassis: 
           type: 16 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Dell model: 0KC9NP v: A00 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A25 date: 05/30/2019 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-4690S bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Haswell 
           family: 6 model-id: 3C (60) stepping: 3 microcode: 28 L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 25540 
           Speed: 2124 MHz min/max: 800/3900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1683 2: 1710 3: 1832 
           4: 2033 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled 
           Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled 
           Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT disabled 
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
           Type: spec_store_bypass 
           mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, 
           STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
           Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode 
           Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0412 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1280x1024~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 
           compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Dell 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0 chip ID: 8086:0c0c 
           Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:8c20 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-8-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Dell driver: e1000e v: kernel port: f080 
           bus ID: 00:19.0 chip ID: 8086:153a 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 298.09 GiB used: 16.52 GiB (5.5%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: HGST (Hitachi) model: HTS725032A7E630 size: 298.09 GiB 
           block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm 
           serial: <filter> rev: A560 scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 25.79 GiB size: 25.22 GiB (97.78%) used: 5.92 GiB (23.5%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda7 
           ID-2: /home raw size: 15.42 GiB size: 15.12 GiB (98.02%) used: 10.60 GiB (70.1%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mirror.datamossa.io/mxlinux/mx/repo/ bullseye main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 214 Uptime: 34m Memory: 3.75 GiB used: 1.78 GiB (47.4%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: quick-system-in 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

[gsm]

Dutch localization for Thunderbird is not 100% ok.
From the Popular Applications, Language, Dutch_Thunderbird is installed, but not greyed under Language and thus can't be uninstalled.

Sometimes the wrong system localization language may be selected.
After setting the system language to EN-US the result was German (DE).
I have deselected all languages except for EN-US and NL-NL and NL-NL was selected as the default system language. After new log in the system language remained EN-US.
I needed to remove EN-US and NL-NL became the only installed language.
Finally the system language was NL again.
After installing again EN-US, the system language remained unchanged: NL-NL

[dolphin_oracle]

if you've selected a language/locale from the menu in lightdm, it will override anything else you do.

the Dutch_thunderbird -> thanks for the report, looks like they have eliminated a package for lightning localizations but left a "provides" in place so install still works. will revise the thunderbird language scripts.

[MXRobo]

Will MX-21 beta1 become stable through updates?

This is not feedback, but I couldn’t find anything under the board index more appropriate.

This comment states that MX-21 beta1 will become stable through updates.
viewtopic.php?p=648600#p648600

Another source suggested that I wait for MX-21 RC as it should become stable through updates.

I’ve been waiting for months to install MX-20, then MX-21 onto two laptops, one of which I will be giving to
someone who needed an organ transplant – they have since gotten one.
So, if possible, I’d like to know definitively if MX-21 beta1 will become stable through updates.
Otherwise, I may simply wait.

Obviously, I like this distro.
Thanks in advance.

[dolphin_oracle]

Will MX-21 beta1 become stable through updates?

This is not feedback, but I couldn’t find anything under the board index more appropriate.

This comment states that MX-21 beta1 will become stable through updates.
viewtopic.php?p=648600#p648600

Another source suggested that I wait for MX-21 RC as it should become stable through updates.

I’ve been waiting for months to install MX-20, then MX-21 onto two laptops, one of which I will be giving to
someone who needed an organ transplant – they have since gotten one.
So, if possible, I’d like to know definitively if MX-21 beta1 will become stable through updates.
Otherwise, I may simply wait.

Obviously, I like this distro.
Thanks in advance.

the beta will receive updates same as any other iso. a few of us devs have discussed removing the beta nomenclature when mx21 is released but no general dev team decision has been made. even if we don't, its actually only a string in /etc/mx-version that gets changed, because the betas get updated all the same. there may be some packages removed or added that won't be automatic, and we won't change any settings that are in the home folder.

[Huckleberry Finn]

... Or... will there be (though I guess no) a Snapshot iso like these? http://it.mxrepo.com/Downloads/Snapshots/

[dolphin_oracle]

... Or... will there be (though I guess no) a Snapshot iso like these? http://it.mxrepo.com/Downloads/Snapshots/

no, we won't be snapshoting monthly betas. for one thing, we are still working on the live system, which reminds me, that won't update on a live-usb, but if you make a snapshot you will get anythign new.

[JayM]

I'd gone back to using MX-19.4 as my regular system but just booted into MX-21b1, installed the updates which included Firefox v.91, and the right-clicking on links issue is gone. (I checked prior to opening Firefox and the gtk3-nocsd package is installed.)

[i_ri]

hello dolphin_oracle and JayM
firefox right-click behavior here is unchanged by firefox91. Sorry to not report the same as JayM; firefox right-click in web page and flashing tooltips when using tweak checkbox Other, Use CSD on GTK3, is still an issue after upgrade.

[JayM]

Where does Docklike Taskbar get its icons from? I have some apps that I've installed from non-MX packages or from tarballs that just show a generic gear icon when they're running but if I mouse-hover over them the proper icons are shown at the left of the application's name. Whisker menu is also showing the correct icons. (I read the wiki page but it didn't mention the icons.)

Update: I was reading the issues on docklike's github page an apparently it's supposed to use the icons from the launchers whether in Whisker menu, the desktop, or wherever, but it isn't doing that for (in this case) apps installed from non-Debianized .deb files or in one case an app I added to Whisker using alacarte. I've added an issue on the github page: https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin/issues/112.

FYI the apps in question are SDR++ and Viber, installed from .deb files and VirtualRadarServer (the alacarte one) which I actually launch from a shell script that also opens and runs dump1090-fa in a terminal.