If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#11 Post by SwampRabbit »

We don’t have to create “that many” init scripts as it is right now. No reason to rebase at this time IMO
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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#12 Post by Adrian »

SwampRabbit wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:44 pm We don’t have to create “that many” init scripts as it is right now. No reason to rebase at this time IMO
I would leave MX if we switch to something else than Debian... if people want Devuan I suggest they use Devuan, not for me.

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#13 Post by SwampRabbit »

@Adrian +1 to being a reason not to rebase then ;)
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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#14 Post by FraterLinux »

For now everything is fine... But in the years to come everything will depend on Debian's support of Init freedom.
Mint has ubuntu and debian based version.
Will we have MX based on debian and devuan?
Only the future will answer this question...

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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#15 Post by Adrian »

Will we have MX based on debian and devuan?
Only the future will answer this question...
The answer was provided on 30 Apr 2021 23:51 by me, we are going to continue to be based on Debian, anybody who wants to use Devuan should go and use Devuan not MX.

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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#16 Post by Jerry3904 »

Yup
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#17 Post by asqwerth »

We would surely just look to antiX first, before devuan?!

I highly doubt anticapitalista has ever depended on Debian being alternative init friendly, yet antiX has continued to be based on Debian, and also now has other init iso versions.
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#18 Post by FraterLinux »

Systemd makes things difficult... complex...:

"After four years of using systemd, the Debian derivative Knoppix has removed the controversial Linux init system."

Knoppix creator Klaus Knopper wrote briefly about the decision to remove systemd in that edition (translated from German, links added for context):

"The still controversial startup systemd, which has been a little outrageous due to security vulnerabilities just recently, has been integrated in Debian since Jessie [8.0], and has been removed since Knoppix 8.5. I bypass hard dependencies on the boot system with my own packages.

To still get a systemd-like session management, and thus retain the ability to shut down and restart the system as a normal user, I run the session manager "elogind" instead. This bypasses systemd's interference with many system components and reduces the complexity of the overall system. If you want to start your own services at startup, you do not need to create any systemd units, but simply enter them in the text file /etc/rc.local, which contains explanatory examples."

Source: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/kn ... n-systemd/

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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#19 Post by LionelZaylan »

Adrian wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:45 pm
SwampRabbit wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:44 pm We don’t have to create “that many” init scripts as it is right now. No reason to rebase at this time IMO
I would leave MX if we switch to something else than Debian... if people want Devuan I suggest they use Devuan, not for me.
I agree with you, @Adrian

I (and probably many, many other people) use MX as it is almost like Debian with more user-friendly software.

I (and probably many, many other people) would stop using MX if it was rebased to something other than Debian, but would continue using it regardless of whether it uses systemd or sysv.

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Re: If MX / antiX would be forced to change base

#20 Post by uncle mark »

LionelZaylan wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:07 pm
I (and probably many, many other people) use MX as it is almost like Debian with more user-friendly software.

I (and probably many, many other people) would stop using MX if it was rebased to something other than Debian, but would continue using it regardless of whether it uses systemd or sysv.
I'd use whatever this crew puts out, regardless of its base. It just doesn't get any better than what these people do.
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