Is the grass greener over there?

[uncle mark]

Then the MX KDE betas made the scene and that as a game changer for me. I've been running the Beta 2 since it was made available and haven't looked back! Can't wait for the actual release to make it's way to the public.

Same here. With the KDE version, I think I'm going to be able to come back home.

[Sparky]

Manjaro=update and pray.
You never know when your system will break and timeshift does nothing, it takes you bak, but when you re update....... full circle
LM 20 seems interesting but it is laggy even with modern software.
Count your blessings we have MX, and hopefully soon MX KDE!

[CharlesV]

@SwampRabbit

I'll give ya the pfsense, but have to disagree with you on Ubiquiti. I have them in around 30 locations, including Hotels, many offices and lots of homes and unless we want to start talking Cisco (which I have other issues with), Ubiquiti rocks. Asus, Netgear, dlink, buffalo, Linksys - OpenWRT, DDWRT and Tomato ... had them, run them, replaced them and the BEST thing you can do ( imo ) is to run the Ubiquiti Ap's - DONT run the controllers or any other 'management' piece (except pfSense), just set the aps up and let them run. By far the best solution I have found.

[SwampRabbit]

@SwampRabbit

I'll give ya the pfsense, but have to disagree with you on Ubiquiti. I have them in around 30 locations, including Hotels, many offices and lots of homes and unless we want to start talking Cisco (which I have other issues with), Ubiquiti rocks. Asus, Netgear, dlink, buffalo, Linksys - OpenWRT, DDWRT and Tomato ... had them, run them, replaced them and the BEST thing you can do ( imo ) is to run the Ubiquiti Ap's - DONT run the controllers or any other 'management' piece (except pfSense), just set the aps up and let them run. By far the best solution I have found.

At the cost (hundreds of dollars to build a pfsense box and buy an AP) for the performance you get and the time (hundreds of hours) it takes to set all that up... a typical everyday home user is far better off with just a high end box wifi router.

$150 store router vs $100-150 AP + $200-250 pfsense box... yeah its a no brainer for a single everyday home user that needs to get 5-10 devices connected and be done.

And that user is perfectly secure for the majority of things they need to worry about because their ISP is probably monitoring and blocking more than a pfsense box would if they even got that far in the set up.

We're not talking advanced user or professional here. Heck most of those people don't create whitelist outbound firewall rules in pfsense properly, don't lock down the LAN or WAN to devices, don't segregate types of traffic (no 3 VLANs and ACLs isn't enough), and don't tune Snort or Suricata properly to catch what they need to catch. MANY a time I've seen the hugest reverse tunnels siphoning out home and corporate data (lets not talk about hotels... they get hacked more than honeypots do) just because they bought the latest shiny box with the most lights or used the most advanced software they could use but didn't configure it right because the person doing it did it from YouTube videos.

Just like in this discussion we talked about of different Linuxes OSes for different things, same goes for the network side too, use the most effective (time and cost) tool you need to get the job done.

I won't ever tell a typical every day home user to bother with pfsense, Ubiquiti APs, or anything like that unless I complete and utterly hate them and want them to waste time and money and maybe a bit of sanity.

We'll just have to agree to disagree

[seaken64]

Much better to have a solid following of any kind than a giant flimsy one. But I’m not a fan of kool-aid myself and I wouldn’t consider it cultish by any means.

If it were a cult we'd all be shunned for even suggesting we look at other distros! Toe the line or else!

Seaken64

[CharlesV]

@SwampRabbit
I get your points, truly I do. An normally I have to agree that most home users never *need* that. Yet, replacing that $150 router / wifi three or four times over the course of several years begins to tell the tale imo .

Different views of a different solution.. always welcome and always pertinent to the issues, location and people.