MX-19.2 KDE Beta 1 feedback thread

[baldyeti]

Also within the right-click menu: we have already an entry to open MXPI. I think it's a fair enough compromise.

Oh nice, i have to admit i had not paid attention to that menu. MXPI is there, perfect.

BTW the muon help page does not seem to exist yet.

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Now for something completely different: in the bling department, would you consider enabling the "cover switch" effect under window mgt/task switcher ? It looks so darn good ;-)

[baldyeti]

I tried to like Discover. You should see my posts in the dev team private board, heh.

I agree discover is a work in progress and i explicitly stated i was not asking for it. I just thought that maybe MXPI was sufficient in the default install, but muon is alright at least in buster.

[asqwerth]

Now for something completely different: in the bling department, would you consider enabling the "cover switch" effect under window mgt/task switcher ? It looks so darn good ;-)

Nice! I haven't dug so deeply into the plasma settings yet. I was happy enough with hot-corner windows overview, since I use my mouse more than keyboard controls.

[i_ri]

MX Linux has the best installer in the business.
Hello dolphin_oracle and everyone . . Pardon me Sister while I swoon on the verge of swearing, Oh my stars, asked to invent a user account name, mxoid. is installed. second start with wlan0 up automatically. no kwallet dialogue with setting up wifi Thank you for that, though is seen kwallet in the menu.
no kdesu? found gksu yes. This is going to be familiar. Splendid.
Throw a upgrade in the bin, so we can see the little box, crate thingie light up. edit add: done. the notifier frame filled with color. did upgrade. color gone. it was sddm, so a reboot and back up no problem.
I need synaptic with my debian. with muon, fine. kinda like having apt and aptitude. konqueror?

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System:    Host: 8440p Kernel: 5.6.0-2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.14.5 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM 
           Distro: MX-19.2_KDE-beta1_x64 patito feo July 5  2020 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteBook 8440p v: N/A serial: <root required> 
           Chassis: type: 10 serial: <root required> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 172A v: KBC Version 30.35 serial: <root required> 
           BIOS: Hewlett-Packard v: 68CCU Ver. F.60 date: 11/11/2015 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 45.6 Wh condition: 46.8/46.8 Wh (100%) volts: 12.3/11.1 
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary type: Li-ion serial: 01595 2011/08/15 status: Unknown 
           Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard K360 serial: 4004-13-87-a8-bd 
           charge: 100% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: Discharging 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5 M 560 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Nehalem rev: 5 
           L2 cache: 3072 KiB bogomips: 21284 
           Speed: 1758 MHz min/max: 1199/2667 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1758 2: 1897 3: 1864 
           4: 2633 
           Flags: acpi aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon bts clflush cmov constant_tsc cpuid cx16 cx8 de 
           ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts est flush_l1d fpu fxsr ht ibpb ibrs ida lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx monitor 
           msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm pebs pge pni popcnt pse pse36 pti 
           rdtscp rep_good sep smx ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp syscall tm tm2 tsc vme xtopology 
           xtpr 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0046 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: intel compositor: kwin_x11 
           resolution: 1600x900~60Hz, 1280x1024~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK) v: 2.1 Mesa 20.0.7 direct render: Yes 
Network:   Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k 
           port: 5020 bus ID: 00:19.0 chip ID: 8086:10ea 
           Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: 5000 bus ID: 43:00.0 
           chip ID: 8086:4239 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 14.91 GiB used: 6.25 GiB (41.9%) 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
           2: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster ahs
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Weather:   Temperature: 29.1 C (84 F) Conditions: Scattered clouds Wind: from E at 1.1 m/s (4 km/h, 2 mph) 
           Cloud Cover: 75% Humidity: 70% Dew Point: 23.2 C (74 F) Pressure: 1014 mb (34 in) 
           Location: Washington, D.C., DC, US, 20500 Current Time: Tue 07 Jul 2020 01:51:27 PM EDT 
           Observation Time: 2020-07-07 12:59:00 (America/New_York -0400) Source: WeatherBit.io 
Info:      Processes: 188 Uptime: 22m Memory: 3.65 GiB used: 598.0 MiB (16.0%) Init: SysVinit v: 2.93 
           runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 running in: konsole 
           inxi: 3.0.36 

gone exploring ...
edit add: first start there is a welcome screen. never touched that window. second start no welcome screen. third start no welcome screen. second start there was that xmessage dbus msg. first and third start no xmessage about dbus. I just wait for the display dialogue to fade away. it sets extended monitor each time for dual. fine. ps_mem upon third start.

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 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used       Program

 96.0 KiB +  21.5 KiB = 117.5 KiB       start_kdeinit
176.0 KiB +  32.0 KiB = 208.0 KiB       acpid
192.0 KiB +  36.0 KiB = 228.0 KiB       acpi_fakekeyd
220.0 KiB +  26.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB       startkde
280.0 KiB +  49.5 KiB = 329.5 KiB       init
316.0 KiB +  78.0 KiB = 394.0 KiB       cron
428.0 KiB +  26.0 KiB = 454.0 KiB       mdadm
480.0 KiB +  40.0 KiB = 520.0 KiB       rpc.idmapd
588.0 KiB +  46.5 KiB = 634.5 KiB       ksysguardd
624.0 KiB +  68.0 KiB = 692.0 KiB       cgmanager
692.0 KiB +  36.0 KiB = 728.0 KiB       ssh-agent
524.0 KiB + 210.5 KiB = 734.5 KiB       rpcbind
512.0 KiB + 296.0 KiB = 808.0 KiB       kwrapper5
656.0 KiB + 240.5 KiB = 896.5 KiB       dconf-service
776.0 KiB + 209.0 KiB = 985.0 KiB       dbus-launch (2)
284.0 KiB + 729.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB       saned (2)
876.0 KiB + 183.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB       rpc.statd
444.0 KiB + 620.5 KiB =   1.0 MiB       avahi-daemon (2)
804.0 KiB + 355.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB       getty (6)
  1.1 MiB + 272.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB       sudo
872.0 KiB + 559.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB       dbus
  1.3 MiB + 207.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB       ntpd
  1.1 MiB + 577.5 KiB =   1.6 MiB       at-spi-bus-launcher
328.0 KiB +   1.4 MiB =   1.7 MiB       kdeinit5
  1.5 MiB + 369.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB       gvfsd
  1.7 MiB + 254.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB       obexd
  1.7 MiB + 621.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB       sddm
  1.6 MiB + 725.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB       sddm-helper
  1.8 MiB + 605.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB       cupsd
928.0 KiB +   1.6 MiB =   2.5 MiB       desktop.so
  2.4 MiB + 160.0 KiB =   2.6 MiB       bash
  2.1 MiB + 587.0 KiB =   2.6 MiB       upowerd
  2.5 MiB + 428.0 KiB =   2.9 MiB       dhclient
  1.9 MiB +   1.0 MiB =   2.9 MiB       cups-browsed
  2.1 MiB +   1.0 MiB =   3.1 MiB       xembedsniproxy
  2.2 MiB + 999.0 KiB =   3.1 MiB       kscreen_backend_launcher
  3.0 MiB + 248.0 KiB =   3.3 MiB       systemd-udevd
  2.3 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   3.4 MiB       gmenudbusmenuproxy
  3.1 MiB + 471.5 KiB =   3.6 MiB       systemd-logind
  3.0 MiB + 697.5 KiB =   3.7 MiB       dbus-daemon (4)
  3.2 MiB + 528.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB       gvfsd-fuse
  3.3 MiB + 506.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB       polkitd
  4.0 MiB + 107.5 KiB =   4.1 MiB       rsyslogd
  3.6 MiB + 757.5 KiB =   4.3 MiB       wpa_supplicant
  4.2 MiB + 673.0 KiB =   4.9 MiB       ModemManager
  1.0 MiB +   3.9 MiB =   4.9 MiB       file.so (3)
  5.1 MiB +  27.0 KiB =   5.1 MiB       haveged
  4.3 MiB + 914.5 KiB =   5.2 MiB       colord
  4.7 MiB + 956.0 KiB =   5.6 MiB       udisksd
  4.2 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   6.5 MiB       klauncher
  4.3 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   6.6 MiB       kaccess
  5.4 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   6.8 MiB       NetworkManager
  4.7 MiB +   2.4 MiB =   7.1 MiB       polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
  5.1 MiB +   2.1 MiB =   7.2 MiB       kglobalaccel5
  5.3 MiB +   1.9 MiB =   7.2 MiB       conky
  5.8 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   7.9 MiB       kactivitymanagerd
  5.4 MiB +   3.1 MiB =   8.5 MiB       org_kde_powerdevil
  7.3 MiB +   3.1 MiB =  10.5 MiB       ksmserver
  4.7 MiB +   5.9 MiB =  10.6 MiB       kwalletd
  8.7 MiB +   3.4 MiB =  12.1 MiB       kdeconnectd
  6.0 MiB +   6.3 MiB =  12.3 MiB       kuiserver
 11.3 MiB +   1.3 MiB =  12.6 MiB       python3.7
 13.0 MiB +   1.3 MiB =  14.3 MiB       pulseaudio
 15.7 MiB +   6.2 MiB =  21.9 MiB       yakuake
 21.5 MiB +   2.7 MiB =  24.2 MiB       Xorg
 17.1 MiB +   7.2 MiB =  24.3 MiB       krunner
 21.2 MiB +   4.3 MiB =  25.5 MiB       python2.7
 33.3 MiB +  11.9 MiB =  45.3 MiB       kded5
 39.6 MiB +   7.0 MiB =  46.7 MiB       kwin_x11
125.0 MiB +  14.6 MiB = 139.6 MiB       plasmashell
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                        563.3 MiB
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keredmxoid@8440p:~

[fehlix]

After booting it mostly seems to be behaving but I struck a minor warning message when using apt from terminal:

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# apt install zim
...
Fetched 1,167 kB in 1s (1,355 kB/s)
Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused

(dpkg-preconfigure:6518): Gtk-WARNING **: 01:06:37.455: cannot open display: 
debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
debconf: (DISPLAY problem?)
debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog

It then proceeded to complete the task successfully. I don't think it really should be looking for a Gnome frontend.

You might consider to change your way to run command under root, or alternativeyl how to open a root terminal,

If you enter the root-shell using "su -", the DISPLAY variable is not accessible for open a DISPLAY for debcon-front ends:
Here to reproduced the message above:
going into the root shell this (non recommended) way:

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su -

and running on the root prompt something to trigger debconf ui:

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# dpkg-reconfigure locales
Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused

(dpkg-reconfigure:12134): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:56:15.522: cannot open display: 
debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
debconf: (DISPLAY problem?)
debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog

So a better way of running apt which might trigger debconf frontend would be:
either just simple use:

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sudo apt install bla-bla

or if you cannot resist to open a root-shell, which I'm rarely doing:

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sudo -i

In both cases debconf-frontends get a proper connection to the display.
HTH

[Sparky]

The Devs must be very proud. I'm on the beta now and it looks *magnificent*!!!
I was on KDE for 2 years in the past so I am relatively familiar with it and this one looks great so far.
The only thing I know nothing about is Muon.

[Adrian]

The only thing I know nothing about is Muon.

It's the closest thing to Synaptic but a native KDE app, we are just trying to match MX-19 (Xfce edition) features, we tried other options but plasma-discover is only half-baked, only MX PackageInstaller is not enough, I would not necessarily like to have Synpatic on a KDE release so Muon is a natural choice. Personally, I mostly use apt in console and at most MX PackageInstaller.

[sunrat]

You might consider to change your way to run command under root, or alternativeyl how to open a root terminal,

If you enter the root-shell using "su -", the DISPLAY variable is not accessible for open a DISPLAY for debcon-front ends:

So I have to use sudo to run root commands? Never had to do that in Debian, don't even have it installed. I don't have DISPLAY variable issues using "su -" in Debian. Wouldn't it be preferable to keep Debian functionality?

[fehlix]

Wouldn't it be preferable to keep Debian functionality?

This thread is about MX-19.2 KDE Beta 1 feedback, so please open a new topic about the issue you have, as it is not related to this thread.

[andyprough]

The boot time on live usb with virtualbox was very slow, and left me with a blank screen for a long time. The first 3 times I tried it I thought it had died and ended the virtualbox session. The 4th time I decided to let it go for awhile and checked htop and found that vbox was very busy, so I let it keep going and KDE did come up. Would there be a way to have some type of graphic on the screen the entire time? The lengthy blank screen before going to the desktop is not uncommon with KDE, but in this case on vbox it just looks dead.

Once it is running it looks beautiful - I love that you themed it like regular MX. I feel like I'm basically in a regular MX XFCE session with lots of KDE tools.

I would recommend changing the default menu to be the whisker-style vertical menu instead of the slab. I very much dislike KDE's slab menu, and it's almost always the first thing I change with a new KDE setup. People not familiar with KDE may not know about their alternative menu options, and going with the whisker-style one that's most like the default MX XFCE menu might be a more comfortable transition.