The future of Xfce

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Re: The future of Xfce

#81 Post by imschmeg »

Looky here, especially the Before and After screenshots near the bottom: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadm ... ral_ui/csd.
I cannot use any of those themes shown in that posting - the non-csd or the csd ones. But, at least I can change a non-csd one to a theme I can use. That is the difference.

There are other ways to remove the wasted space. Why not a auto-hiding and pinnable titlebar as an option, but still with server-side decorations?

But I still would need the titlebar and borders to be visible at all times (unless the window is fullscreen).

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Re: The future of Xfce

#82 Post by JayM »

You can still change GTK themes. You'll just have to accomplish what you need via a different method, i.e. having a different-color frame around active windows rather than a different-color titlebar. You'll figure something out.

I suggest that after Xfce 4.16 is released later this year, you install MX-19 in a VirtualBox VM then install Xfce 4.16 on it and play with it to see what you can figure out. I plan to do the same if I'm able to. Or, rumor has it that Xubuntu 20.04, due in a few months, will have Xfce 4.16. You could install it in VirtualBox and check out its theming possibilities.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#83 Post by SwampRabbit »

JayM wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:13 am You can still change GTK themes.
Correct, there are themes which already "slim" areas down and adjust sections quite a bit.

Anyone can look at many of the Gnome themes that do this for reference.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#84 Post by Mauser »

junoluna wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:28 am the poll is still there mauser ... but the link is hidden in the thread

i did not vote because i use KDE and have no dog in the fight ... interesting discussion though
That's O.K. and understandable. When the time comes when Xfce gets ruined I will probably go with KDE.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#85 Post by Sparky »

imschmeg wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:33 pm Dearest Xfce Devs,

We like your product more than Gnome. We're sorry that you have a problem with this.

Love (for now),
non-CSDers
I like it more like KDE, but the fact is it's an XFCE edition and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#86 Post by Mauser »

imschmeg wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:46 am I posted over at the Xfce forum on the CSD thread:
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56728#p56728
Thanks, looks like it's back. First the moderator wanted it moved which I did. Then the moderator made it vanish. After some complaints from other members of the moderators actions it looks like it was put back up. The moderators stating it's getting confusing while the moderator is making it confusing playing hackysac with my poll. I guess my meme was too much to grasp of what can happen when the user-base is ignored. It looks like maybe the is some hope since my poll is back. It's all yet to be seen.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#87 Post by LU344928 »

Mauser wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm From what I understand if I understand correctly is the Whisker menu is built with the Gtk tool kit while LXQt & KDE are both built with the Qt tool kit which that difference doesn't look good for the Whisker menu being added to either LXQt or KDE. From what I understand the Whisker menu would have to be rebuilt using the Qt tool kit in order to work on KDE.
Interesting...

I recently took Devuan for a spin (ascii_2.1) and Xfce displays no Whisker menu but something akin to the LXDE menu. Without rebooting and looking at it again I'd say it resembles LXDE more than LXQt even, not that there's a lot of difference anyway. My guess is Whisker can be enabled somewhere but this default setting did strike me as rather odd .
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Re: The future of Xfce

#88 Post by Mauser »

LU344928 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:51 am
Mauser wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:29 pm From what I understand if I understand correctly is the Whisker menu is built with the Gtk tool kit while LXQt & KDE are both built with the Qt tool kit which that difference doesn't look good for the Whisker menu being added to either LXQt or KDE. From what I understand the Whisker menu would have to be rebuilt using the Qt tool kit in order to work on KDE.
Interesting...

I recently took Devuan for a spin (ascii_2.1) and Xfce displays no Whisker menu but something akin to the LXDE menu. Without rebooting and looking at it again I'd say it resembles LXDE more than LXQt even, not that there's a lot of difference anyway. My guess is Whisker can be enabled somewhere but this default setting did strike me as rather odd .
That means that Devuan doesn't have the Whisker menu installed. You can install the Whisker menu and remove the LXDE style menu from the panel.
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Re: The future of Xfce

#89 Post by asqwerth »

Whisker is a panel plugin, so right click on the panel and go to Panel Preferences. If not there, install it and then add to panel.

The old school menu is the original one that came with XFCE, before Graeme Gott created Whisker.
https://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/
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Re: The future of Xfce

#90 Post by MX_GRD »

SwampRabbit wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:29 pm...But seriously, did you post a thread on this, I thought I saw one.... I guess a solution wasn't found.... off to check on that.
I did come across that thread, and tried the save/restore desktop script, but got an error message on restore.
I also would have to go back to that thread for follow up.
Meanwhile, I open Desktop Folder and view as icons; works as well.

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