Random guys thoughts on the future of AntiX/MX gnu/Linux.

[figueroa]

Salmon still have you beat, they been swimming upstream for millions of years, but I have faith you can catch up to them.

But, I'm having a hard time changing my personal habits. However, I am thinking to migrate desktop users at a small private school where I administer systems to MX. They've been using Linux Mint and they are happy with it but, under the hood, Mint is a mess.

[SwampRabbit]

But, I'm having a hard time changing my personal habits. However, I am thinking to migrate desktop users at a small private school where I administer systems to MX. They've been using Linux Mint and they are happy with it but, under the hood, Mint is a mess.

That sounds great!

Very much something like a Salmon would do, good for you boss.

[SwampRabbit]

side point: salmon dont swim upstream to be different, they swim upstream because thats where they mate.

freemedia this isn't a thread specifically tied to facts, it's for "Random guy thoughts".

[freemedia2018]

this isn't a thread specifically tied to facts, it's for "Random guy thoughts".

android has a "move app to sdcard" feature, maybe mx could have that.

[anixer]

Also, pointless observation cont:

Which is not to take away from the time/effort etc which Debian "based" put into a given distro. Clearly MX takes pains and does much which isn't going to come with Debian out-of-box. Only ever 1 time messed with a default install of Debian gnu/Nix, it was an accident, I'd hit the wrong thing in the netinstall and wound up with Debian + xfce, played with it for all of 2mins, rebooted, formatted that partition and proceeded to get what I'd been wanting in the first place. Many "based" on distro's don't do as much or include the cool things I'm hearing about MX either. They don't put in the time or effort. So yeah, plenty of kickbutt distro's floating around. Do like some task specific one's ie: Kali for penn testing etc are others which are specialized or niche specific and setup for endusers with that purpose in mind.

Personally comes to something like Kali, I'd still just install and setup the same software etc they use onto my own base install or a clone of my OS, setup as I prefer. At this point much of what an avg user might consider a feature or a bonus. I consider bloat, a waste of system resources and added overhead and are things which get in the way of how I use my computer and what I think is best configuration for speed, performance etc.

People's choices and preferences, are just that, their own tastes. According to their level of knowledge, skills and experience. It's open source and gnu/Linux afterall. :) May actually go ahead and explore some of what I'd babbled about above. It's getting harder and harder to find any meaningful tweaks now. Without going mucho deeper and investing considerably more time in learning and applying whatever. All the low hanging fruit was picked years n years ago pretty much.

[Artim]

Were there similar debates when PulseAudio came out and virtually replaced ALSA?

[anixer]

^ Absolutely, seen plenty of folks, gnu/Linux users who hate pulse, will do whatever is necessary to remove it from the OS's they use. I've always liked it, never had any problems with and don't quite get their stance on the matter but meh, it's Nix, each person is free to do whatever they please. Even if that means causing themselves problems, performance issues, odd borkage etc etc. Though also feel compelled to call it as I see it(or know it too.) Already see some issues creeping in on people here, which believe honestly could be attributed to choice of init. That's going to get worse as upstream puts more effort into shifting development and support to systemd too.

In another thread mentioned some applications, are set up for higher kernel timer interrupt freqs and are going to perform better (as intended) with a preemptive kernel and higher freq. The things opted for in a general default kernel's config could cause issues, weird graphics effect, strange audio problems etc when dealing with those things. However many, even some very experienced and reasonably proficient nixers, aren't going to think about init or stock kernel configs being involved or turning out to being a major contributor to such oddities. There are other negatives and downsides in my view to hanging onto SysV but I've burned myself out on this topic. I tried to point things out, whoever wishes can do so, whoever doesn't, great.

[freemedia2018]

Were there similar debates when PulseAudio came out and virtually replaced ALSA?

ive never had an audio problem that didnt involve a missing driver or killing pa.

as in killing it helped. its my first advice to anybody having audio problems, only now its tied to several browsers, which sucks. it is an abomination, but apparently it works for some people. i never had problems with alsa. ive literally ripped speakers out over pa. its even worse than systemd.

[anixer]

Dang it now that I've mentioned it, kinda feel obliged to elaborate. Someone saying poweroff reboots their system instead of shutting it down. Looks like this person has a newer system, newer hardware in gnu/Linux Debian stable "based" often means a newer kernel, newer firmware packages, microcode are advised. In some cases applying upgrades to the uefi/bios can help too. As the people at kernel.org develop the kernel, they add support for newer hardware etc as it becomes available, older versions could very well not be up to supporting whichever hardware as well, at all or properly. Thus someone can try newer, read the kernel release notes etc.

Though why I'm saying it could be init related, yep ... systemd does more than just an init, including some power and device management. In newer Debian the old commands are already symlinked to systemd. ie: check with, ah I've already babbled about this, see that junk about it for further info on this nonsense. I pitched in the towel on Bunsenlabs and it's community for various reasons. While still like many nixers there regardless. Spent many years interacting with some of them in online forums. The resolution for that nixer having an issue may be what I'd already stated above. Could need some newer stuff installed on their OS's, could also be to whatever extent init related too. Either or/both too. Not my problem though.

[anixer]

If I'd have posted to that thread, I'd have gotten accused of being a spy for Redhat, a troll etc etc. So that nixer can find their own solution, to their own problems. If what I've stated here is what I think is relevant. Again ... any and everything about gnu/Linux is already covered, often many, many times online anyway. The days of handing people info it took me much time/effort etc to learn on a silver platter are over.

PS, with some conditions, if I like someone, they provide relevant info, show they've made an honest effort themselves etc and still need some help, hey cool, may well do my best for them. You/Artim seem to be a smart person, open minded etc, get good vibe from you. Don't mind sharing info or helping out. Just isn't anything any gnu/Linux user is obligated to do. If I don't like someone for whatever reason, I don't want to share info with them or help them out with their issues. Yeppers I'm funny like that, don't want to help those I don't like or people too lazy or ignorant to do anything to help you help them or to attempt to help themselves, shrugs.