Random guys thoughts on the future of AntiX/MX gnu/Linux.

[anixer]

That's true because it was preferred default mostly. Are still folks who take the time, gain the know how to use others. Head_on_a_stick put up one such how-to on runit. Some of these no doubt even have continued valid usecases, like runit or whatever on mobile, where disk space, system overhead etc might be key factors in what they have planned. Even if now the avg cheapie mobile devices still come with ample resources/muscle. Seen MANY the kiddie typing on a smartphone which were easily 100's of times the hardware specs and processing power vs my first desktop computer. Those types (dev's with some special proj)don't waste time even participating in anti-pro/X-init discussion. They learn what they need to do, to get things working the way they wish and get on with life.

A hardcore sys-admin even with production systems can or will be familiar enough with these things to implement an uber stripped down or custom tweaked series of init scripts (or units)for a given systems init, though somewhat familiar not devoting that amount of time to system tweaking personally. Again ... those people are highly unlikely to waste time debating. In particular when many of the participants don't even know or vaguely know what an init is/does. What sparked this stupid thread, was seeing how adamantly AntiX appears to be about it's view of init's. Pleased to see MX went another way, though haven't yet downloaded it's iso, am going to now and learning about this gives me less motivation to mess with AntiX again.

[freemedia2018]

The systemd fans always act as if sysvinit is the only other init in Linux, all their arguments are against sysvinit.

they dont get that the merit of using it is not fixing what isnt broken.

when some less abhorrent alternative comes along-- one that isnt hellbent on "owning" the ecosystem, theyll switch just as soon as the merits of switching outweigh the costs and work required. but systemd according to its fans is "just better" and that means you should "just use it." pay attention to the advantages, ignore the costs. isnt that what used car salesmen always want you to do?

i mean what kind of country bumpkin do you have to be to ignore these AWESOME 21st century features? what pulls your data bus, a horse? and so on...

if we really accept such sophomoric arguments as to which operating system components we should use, who can wait until the day when some other company comes along with a new system fad and expects the systemd fans to change to "the latest and greatest." of course they will, right? theyll drop good old systemd in a shot, the very moment its obsolete. because thats what all the cool people do...

[anixer]

Personally have and planning on continuing investing effort in learning how to effectively tweak systemd, what can be done to control or optimize it for a given thing, esp in the context of desktop gnu/Linux. Am sure there are already projects aimed at converting SysV scripts into uniform systemd service unit's etc. The less hangover from SysV on a system, the happier I'll likely be. The more stable a given OS is going to run. Though stability isn't so much a concern regardless of a given init. Noted that's likely to change. You see Stevo which is a very proficient nixer in my view saying hey, I can't boot kernel v 5.x without using systemd as init. Yep, for the people who really matter, the one's which do mostly all the development and heavy lifting upstream, systemd is gnu/Linux's new init and they are going to act and design accordingly.

Those whose views differ are free to take whatever open source code they can get hands on and try to do something else with all of it. Can and certainly are free to go against upstream. We all know how much fun it is many times swimming against the current, swimming upstream eh ? Just ask some salmon, they do it, then die when they reach their destination.

PS, Painfully clearly for almost all of these people saying "we" should do this and that, what they really mean is someone who knows, actually has even a tiny bit of the skills needed and/or is also willing to pay for it and volunteer their time/effort should do it for them. They want something, even if they generally have no clue what's going on.

[SwampRabbit]

You see Stevo which is a very proficient nixer in my view saying hey, I can't boot kernel v 5.x without using systemd as init. Yep, for the people who really matter, the one's which do mostly all the development and heavy lifting upstream, systemd is gnu/Linux's new init and they are going to act and design accordingly.

Are you sure Stevo said that? I won't speak for him, but I'm pretty sure he is running or did run a 5.X kernel with SysVinit.
I don't think I've ever seen him really push one way or another either.

Those whose views differ are free to take whatever open source code they can get hands on and try to do something else with all of it. Can and certainly are free to go against upstream. We all know how much fun it is many times swimming against the current, swimming upstream eh ? Just ask some salmon, they do it, then die when they reach their destination.

Seeming how humans and plenty of animals survive on those silly Salmon and have for for a very long time and will continue to do so unless WE FORCE them into extinction... I don't think that is a good analogy. I highly doubt Bears (but can't speak for them), any of them are like "those stupid Salmon... they need to stop swimming upstream and just go with the flow".

Per wikipedia:

The salmon has long been at the heart of the culture and livelihood of coastal dwellers, which can be traced as far back as 5,000 years when archeologists discovered Nisqually tribes remnants.[104] The original distribution of the Genus Oncorhynchus covered the Pacific Rim coastline.[105] History shows salmon used tributaries, rivers and estuaries without regard to jurisdiction for 18–22 million years.

[figueroa]

There are plenty of systemd distros out there ... enjoy. antiX will not be one of them.

Where do I press "Like?"
Just kidding, but that's my sentiment too.

I run MX part time, on my laptop and another box, as well as in a VirtualBox VM (this latter just for fun). I also try to keep up with AntiX. I never boot using systemd.

May main work is done in Gentoo on a desktop and server which I've been using for 15 years, upgrading parts along the way. My systems are systemd-free and pulse-audio free. I don't have any problems and I don't anticipate any problems. Linux is a big and deep ecosystem.

My mom used to say, "If everyone else jumps off a bridge, are you going to jump off a bridge too?"

[anixer]

Thing from Stevo ( or as I think of the guy Stevep. ) is from a recent thread in this forum, where he's saying as much. Overall ... really don't care, mentioned hey, people are free to do whatever pleases them, learn as much or little about things they have whatever amount of interest in etc etc. No skin offa my anything, either way. Again ... don't have any need, nor any want of anyone to make configuration and application/util selection, theming choice, come out with a cool logo or name for it. It's Debian ... I do and shall probably forever run pure Debian gnu/nix myself. What I do to it could constitute a "distro", not bothering with all that, likely never will. Just cause I've fiddle with, tweaked and reconfigured stuff, doesn't change that's it's still Debian. MX and AntiX are by no means any faster, lighter, more stable, secure vs what I config myself. Fact is in many ways much less so in those metrics.

If I put this OS config onto a very high-spec system, after doing some adjustments/optimizations to acct for the new hardware. I'd have to put a warning label on the thing.

WARNING, high performance operating system installed. You may experience feelings of dizziness, disorientation and vertigo while performing normal computing functions on this system. It's unlikely you have a concussion or brain tumor, though if you have any reason to believe otherwise, consult a medical professional. Anyway ... buckle your seat-belt, this OS FRIGGIN BLAZES !!!

If you get woozy, spill a beverage on or drop your equipment ie: a laptop computer, fall out of your chair because apps and webpgs are so responsive or load too fast (on a good network connection) sustaining actual physical injury, or damage to hardware, Xyz-OS takes no responsibility, this is a gnu/Linux based operating system and comes with no warranty, express or implied according to all limitations of applicable law. Use at your own risk.

Point was just to state my views, done that, time to shut it as it's just beating of the dead horse and those youtube movies still are not watching themselves or at least if they are not providing me any enjoyment. :D

[SwampRabbit]

May main work is done in Gentoo on a desktop and server which I've been using for 15 years, upgrading parts along the way.

Salmon still have you beat, they been swimming upstream for millions of years, but I have faith you can catch up to them.

[Richard]

@figueroa,
+1

[SwampRabbit]

@figueroa,
+1

+1 the +1

The Salmon need all the help they can get at this point.

[freemedia2018]

side point: salmon dont swim upstream to be different, they swim upstream because thats where they mate.