Microsoft Defender goes Linux

[Adrian]

Yeah, why would I want to use a Microsoft anti-virus program when Linux has its own. One need not even concern themselves with it being a Microsoft product--irrelevant.

I see a good point though, some people are forced by corporate policy to run an Antivirus, yes, even on Linux, so if Defender is available for Linux they will be compliant and will be able to run Linux at work.

[mklym]

No that interested in Defender or Edge, I am looking forward for them to provide a MS Office for Linux...

I use SoftMaker's Office and have been using it for many years. I have had no compatibility issues with ms office files, although my files are fairly basic. There is a basic free version that can be installed with MXPI, and the full paid version is reasonably priced.

I have ZERO faith in anything to do with ms. I left their os and clingon programs because I didn't, and still don't, trust ms.

If the Linux community welcomes ms into the community, then I will be moving to a version of BSD,or something else. ms has nothing of value to offer the Linux community. It was not that many miles back down the road of life that ms was trying to shutdown/kill off Linux, but now they want to help! Ahaha Ya, okay.

I can not wait, but have to, until 'doze and the parent ms are the 'other' os and apps to the world. Maybe by the end of next month. :D

[Head_on_a_Stick]

ms has nothing of value to offer the Linux community

The kernel commit list says otherwise :-)

This article is from 2012 so they have been involved for a while now: https://www.zdnet.com/article/who-helps ... microsoft/

I don't think they're in the top 10 list of corporate contributors anymore but they do still help out.

EDIT: corrected link.

EDIT2: I don't trust them either.

[Lupin]

If the Linux community welcomes ms into the community, then I will be moving to a version of BSD,or something else.

I agree, if ms apps or security software spreads over linux os and users ,IMO, we can't consider linux a "safe os which respects user policy" anymore in long-term.
that was my main reason(and likely anybody else) to switch from windows to linux at the first place.

i hope that doesn't happen

[j2mcgreg]

If the Linux community welcomes ms into the community, then I will be moving to a version of BSD,or something else.

I agree, if ms apps or security software spreads over linux os and users ,IMO, we can't consider linux a "safe os which respects user policy" anymore in long-term.
that was my main reason(and likely anybody else) to switch from windows to linux at the first place.

i hope that doesn't happen

It won't. This is just like the rise of stainless steel appliances. A stainless steel oven doesn't cook the food any better than an enamel one, but the market place has been conditioned to believe that stainless steel is superior. Similarly ClamAv and other similar linux packages will do the job quite well but they lack the name recognition of a Microsoft product. Microsoft knows this and they likely see it as a marketing advantage for their Defender range of products and licences. The existing linux user base most likely will not buy in, but there are a lot of Microsoft only enterprises out there that might as part of a migration to linux.

[vit.frost]

Microsoft taking care of Linux security is ridiculous

[mklym]

ms has nothing of value to offer the Linux community

The kernel commit list says otherwise :-)

This article is from 2012 so they have been involved for a while now: https://www.zdnet.com/article/who-helps ... microsoft/

I don't think they're in the top 10 list of corporate contributors anymore but they do still help out.

EDIT: corrected link.

EDIT2: I don't trust them either.

Everyone has different definitions of value. Code to enable their software to engage with the Linux OS is not my idea of value, especially when the Linux kernel already had its own KVM. As for monetary contributions ( I just skimmed the article in the link, but I think they talked about that as well), take their money, as long as it is 'no strings attached'.

ms has been a malicious, devious company since the beginning. Anyone remember the BS when the first ms windoze come out? At the time msdos was #2 behind PCDOS. If you had PCDOS installed and wanted to install windoze on top, when you ran the installer you were greeted with error massages saying that if you did not remove pcdos and install msdos before installing windows your machine would suffer major damage. PCDOS died very quickly, even though you could ignore the error messages and install the 'doze os without any damage. Some people call that good business sense, I call it fear mongering.

As I said before, I don't trust ms, never have, never will period.

They have no place in the Linux community, let alone the Linux OS. My opinion.

Not trying to start a war, or anything like that, expressing my personal opinion is all.

[ChrisUK]

OK, just for a bit of perspective...

How does this fit in with all the anti-MS talk?

The whole anti-Microsoft thing was sometimes funny as a joke, but not really. Today, they’re actually much friendlier. I talk to Microsoft engineers at various conferences, and I feel like, yes, they have changed, and the engineers are happy.

And they’re like really happy working on Linux. So I completely dismissed all the anti-Microsoft stuff

Linus Torvalds October 7th 2019

[Head_on_a_Stick]

ms has been a malicious, devious company since the beginning.

Microsoft make most of their money from cloud services these days and the cloud is dominated by Linux so they have to play the game.

The kernel is protected by the copyleft licence which forces companies to share their improvements with everybody, the companies are willing to accept this because it means they also get to see their competitors' contributions. So everybody benefits, including us.

[mklym]

OK, just for a bit of perspective...

How does this fit in with all the anti-MS talk?

The whole anti-Microsoft thing was sometimes funny as a joke, but not really. Today, they’re actually much friendlier. I talk to Microsoft engineers at various conferences, and I feel like, yes, they have changed, and the engineers are happy.

And they’re like really happy working on Linux. So I completely dismissed all the anti-Microsoft stuff

Linus Torvalds October 7th 2019

Same as what I wrote above, opinion. He can feel anyway he wants about ms. Makes no difference to me and my opinion.
It is funny what fame and fortune does to a persons perspective. Some are effected more than others, some less, but they are all effected by it.

I know my opinion holds no weight in Mr. Torvalds world, but on the other hand, his opinion holds no weight in my world.

If the Linux community and/or OS ends up getting cross-threaded (pipefitters term) by/with ms involement, I can compile my own OS. It takes some work, but do-able.

Just like being forced into quitting smoking cold-turkey after ~45yrs, takes some work, but do-able. Day 4 and I have not killed anyone, yet.