MX-19 RC1 Feedback thread

[Eadwine Rose]

Hi all, in the live usb maker , there is an advanced options to update (only the existing live usb) ...
It's useful to update my live usb mx19 beta3 to rc1?

thanks in advance :)

I don't think that you can update the beta3 to RC1, to the devs. correct me if i am wrong

You might be able to, but it won't be supported. There are quite a few changes between them, so it is not recommended to do that.

[BitJam]

Hi all, in the live usb maker , there is an advanced options to update (only the existing live usb) ...
It's useful to update my live usb mx19 beta3 to rc1?

You could. Pesistence and state information won't carry over. Most of the time to make a live-usb is in copying over the large linuxfs file so you won't save much time doing this.

My guess is it won't quite do exactly what you want since it has not been tested (at least not recently). But I say "go for it!" See what happens and let us know. If it doesn't work then you can just run the program again without update enabled so it makes then entire live-usb from scratch. Let's see what happens. If that feature is not really useful then maybe we should remove it in future versions. I think I added it when I was doing development and testing. I did not expect it to end up in the gui.

[asqwerth]

You could start with MX Tools - quick system info :) That will help us know more about your computer.

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System:    Host: mx Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.3_x64 Continuum May 26  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP ENVY 17 Notebook PC 
           v: 0592210000201920000620000 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 159B v: 91.36 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard 
           v: F.18 date: 09/27/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 13.5 Wh condition: 57.4/57.4 Wh (100%) 
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary status: Discharging 
           Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M315/M235 charge: Normal 
           status: Discharging 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-2670QM bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
           arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: avx lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 35119 
           Speed: 2042 MHz min/max: 800/3100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 1135 3: 1862 
           4: 798 5: 1117 6: 800 7: 842 8: 798 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Device-2: AMD Granville [Radeon HD 6850M/6870M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: radeon v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: ati,modesetting,radeon unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: N/A v: N/A direct render: N/A 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Device-2: AMD Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-5-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: 3000 
           bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 931.52 GiB used: 10.45 GiB (1.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB 
RAID:      Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci v: 3.0 
           bus ID: 00:1f.2 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 455.45 GiB used: 10.45 GiB (2.3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 46 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list 
           1: deb http://deb.leap.se/client release stretch
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/megasync.list 
           1: deb https://mega.nz/linux/MEGAsync/Debian_9.0/ ./
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb https://quantum-mirror.hu/mirrors/pub/mx-linux/packages/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list 
           1: deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases)
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 245 Uptime: 1h 05m Memory: 5.77 GiB used: 2.71 GiB (47.0%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.36 

When you tried to use RC1, did you enable any non-default repo? I notice that in MX18, you enabled the stretch backports repo. If you still have your live USB stick for RC1, could you run it live and give us the Quick SYstem Info output from within MX19RC1?

[BitJam]

You might be able to, but it won't be supported. There are quite a few changes between them, so it is not recommended to do that.

Well the update feature in live-usb-maker updates almost everything so if it works as intended then PLX should be okay. The kernel, the live initrd, the linuxfs file, and even the bootloaders should get updated. This is very different from trying to update an installed systems.

Too Many Notes
At it's heart, the live system is very simple. There are bootloaders and then just three important files all in the /antiX/ directory (for antiX and MX):

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linuxfs    the main file system
vmlinuz    the kernel
initrd.gz  programs to set up the main file system then switch to it

Since these will all get updated and even the bootloaders will get updated (thanks to fehlix), PLX should be fine. But on second thought there might be a problem with the legacy boot-loader. That may need to get re-installed.

With the three files listed above the live system is a single unit. If you replace those 3 files then you've done a complete upgrade except for the live bootloaders. But those should/might get updated too. It's possible there will be complaints but it will work anyway.

[srq2625]

OK - just wondering .... is this going to be addressed or should I just drop it and live with it? Or, is this something that needs to be addressed up-stream (by the Xfce folks, for example)?

[JayM]

OK - just wondering .... is this going to be addressed or should I just drop it and live with it? Or, is this something that needs to be addressed up-stream (by the Xfce folks, for example)?

What are the "same results" mentioned in the post you linked to? I can't see what the problem is in those small images.

[winemaker]

chrispop thanks. never knew that. regarding clock backgrouns color.

[Iguana77]

You could start with MX Tools - quick system info :) That will help us know more about your computer.

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System:    Host: mx Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.3_x64 Continuum May 26  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP ENVY 17 Notebook PC 
           v: 0592210000201920000620000 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 159B v: 91.36 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard 
           v: F.18 date: 09/27/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 13.5 Wh condition: 57.4/57.4 Wh (100%) 
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary status: Discharging 
           Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M315/M235 charge: Normal 
           status: Discharging 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-2670QM bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
           arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: avx lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 35119 
           Speed: 2042 MHz min/max: 800/3100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 1135 3: 1862 
           4: 798 5: 1117 6: 800 7: 842 8: 798 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Device-2: AMD Granville [Radeon HD 6850M/6870M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: radeon v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: ati,modesetting,radeon unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: N/A v: N/A direct render: N/A 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Device-2: AMD Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-5-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: 3000 
           bus ID: 02:00.0 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 931.52 GiB used: 10.45 GiB (1.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB 
RAID:      Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci v: 3.0 
           bus ID: 00:1f.2 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 455.45 GiB used: 10.45 GiB (2.3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 46 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list 
           1: deb http://deb.leap.se/client release stretch
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/megasync.list 
           1: deb https://mega.nz/linux/MEGAsync/Debian_9.0/ ./
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb https://quantum-mirror.hu/mirrors/pub/mx-linux/packages/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list 
           1: deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases)
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 245 Uptime: 1h 05m Memory: 5.77 GiB used: 2.71 GiB (47.0%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.36 

When you tried to use RC1, did you enable any non-default repo? I notice that in MX18, you enabled the stretch backports repo. If you still have your live USB stick for RC1, could you run it live and give us the Quick SYstem Info output from within MX19RC1?

Hi this is from live usb>

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           parameters: quiet splasht 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-19RC1_x64 patito feo October 15  2019 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP ENVY 17 Notebook PC 
           v: 0592210000201920000620000 serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 159B v: 91.36 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard 
           v: F.18 date: 09/27/2011 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 57.4 Wh condition: 57.4/57.4 Wh (100%) volts: 12.5/10.8 
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Full 
           Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M315/M235 serial: <filter> 
           charge: 55% (should be ignored) rechargeable: yes status: Discharging 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-2670QM bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
           arch: Sandy Bridge family: 6 model-id: 2A (42) stepping: 7 microcode: 2F 
           L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: avx lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 35119 
           Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/3100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 798 3: 798 4: 798 
           5: 798 6: 798 7: 798 8: 798 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion 
           Type: mds 
           status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT vulnerable 
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0116 
           Device-2: AMD Granville [Radeon HD 6850M/6870M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: N/A 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 1002:68a8 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.6 compat-v: 3.0 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           chip ID: 8086:1c20 
           Device-2: AMD Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 1002:aa58 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-6-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: 3000 
           bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 8086:4239 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           chip ID: 10ec:8168 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.36 TiB used: 1.52 GiB (0.1%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB block size: 
           physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> 
           rev: HPM1 scheme: MBR 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST9500423AS size: 465.76 GiB block size: 
           physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> 
           rev: HPM1 
           ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Toshiba model: MQ01UBF050 size: 465.76 GiB 
           block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B rotation: 5400 rpm serial: <filter> 
           scheme: MBR 
RAID:      Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci v: 3.0 
           port: 4060 bus ID: 00:1f.2 chip ID: 8086.282a rev: 05 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: N/A size: 4.56 GiB used: 66.2 MiB (1.4%) fs: overlay 
           source: ERR-102 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 62.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/buster buster main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 244 Uptime: 11m Memory: 5.77 GiB used: 904.4 MiB (15.3%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 
Video Tweaks:
Detected possible Hybrid Graphics

[Jerry3904]

OK - just wondering .... is this going to be addressed or should I just drop it and live with it? Or, is this something that needs to be addressed up-stream (by the Xfce folks, for example)?

What are the "same results" mentioned in the post you linked to? I can't see what the problem is in those small images.

I think the question is the horizontal panel overlapping the icons. We tried to replicate that without much success in another thread, I seem to recall, but I will take a look again later today.

[asqwerth]

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[MX18]
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Device-2: AMD Granville [Radeon HD 6850M/6870M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
           driver: radeon v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: ati,modesetting,radeon unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: N/A v: N/A direct render: N/A 

Hi this is from live usb>

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[MX19]
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0116 
           Device-2: AMD Granville [Radeon HD 6850M/6870M] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: N/A 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 1002:68a8 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.6 compat-v: 3.0 
           direct render: Yes 
Video Tweaks:
Detected possible Hybrid Graphics

I don't know enough about video graphics, but it looks like your machine selected and ran with the radeon driver in MX18, but it's using another driver by default in MX19.

You'll have to wait for the experts to give you advice on how to deal with your hybrid graphics.