MX-19 RC1 Feedback thread

[JayM]

MX conky was provided so you can change colours of the conky to suit your wallpaper. The conky can't conceivably be visually suitable for every wallpaper.

Yeah, I know, I was just kvetching.

[Stufe]

On MX19 RC1 x64 when selecting Grub install settings during the install process, choosing install to PBR doesn't automatically select the root partition. Eg installing MX to sda8, the automatically selected partition when selecting install grub to PBR was sda5 (existing MX18 installation). I would think it should automatically select the root partition.

Also Kodi for some reason doesn't include the Kodi repository!

[Eadwine Rose]

As for your hardware info, please share MX Tools - quick system info
As for Kodi, please share the mxpi log



As per first post of this thread:

If posting hardware issues, please post the output of “quick-system-info” from the menu or terminal, at a minimum.

If posting nvidia-installer issues, please post the contents of /var/log/ddm.log.

If posting remaster issues, please include the contents of /var/log/live/live-remaster.log

If posting installer issues, please include the contents of /var/log/minstall.log

If posting issues with MX-PackageInstaller “Popular Apps”, please post contents of /var/log/mxpi.log or /var/log/mxpi.log.old (whichever contains the log of your issue).

[Buck Fankers]

Edit, sorry, scratch bellow, default button changed or is different than I usually use, my bad, everything is as it should be!

When I shut if off, it actually logged me out and waited there.

[Stufe]

The grub install doesn't look like a hardware issue, but I'm not an expert. - I was able to select sda8 for the grub install, just thought it should automatically choose the root install partition when clicking install to PBR. It's a minor thing in some regards, but due to my own haste, I initially didn't realise, so when I rebooted, the new MX19 install didn't boot, and I also had to reinstall grub on my mx18 partition.

Where is the mxpi log?

[penguin]

Hi.

I have gone through this thread time by time.

Sorry if I repeat the same question.

Just a simple question. The update of MX 18.3 to MX 19 will be simply as .... Change Repos , upgrade system and reboot?
Or this will be not possible ?

I have managed to upgrade my Sparky Linux (month ago, simple by the described way and no problem at all. My Sparky Linux XFCE still runs on old XFCE (stable version predecessor of before 4.14).I am not sure how would be situation when the new XFCE will be included in Debian or Sparky repos.

Can we have the possibility to upgrade MX LInux in two steeps ?

1- Changing of Repos and upgrading of system without upgrading XFCE .
2- Adding a XFCE repo (if it is possible to have a different MX repo only for XFCE)
3- Upgrading of system with XFCE

Maybe what I am asking for is totally stupidity or wrong , but just a question.

You can try but no promises if you break it. Or it may kind of work but not perfectly, and who's going to debug that? It's not recommended and won't be supported.

You're moving from a Debian base that had systemd-shim to one where it's deprecated in buster. MX had to get their own shim package done up for mx19 via a 3rd party developer.

Xfce 4.14 is gtk 3.

Settings and configs changes in mx19 affecting xfce and perhaps systemd-shim may not carry over using a change of repo, if changes were made inside the home partition.

So your mx18 settings may not go well with new xfce, etc in mx19.

I don't think you can realistically expect MX to just specially set up a separate mx19 repo for new xfce just so mx19 users can still use xfce 4.12 if they want

Hmmmm. Ok thanks @asqwerth. At last the distro hoping, did serves me for something. Now I clearly realize for what a reason some Debian distros cannot upgraded smoothly to the next stage.

I have no any problem on my self. I can have a fresh install, backup partition and install to another computer or by personalized by my usb bootable snapshoot or just deploy as backup image and repair grub.

I have recommended MX Linux, but also installed to some of my friends and they are not expert, or simply they do not care to be expert or read about MX. They just use MX Linux. So... i a need to find the right way how to instruct them to upgrade to MX 19 (or they can still continue to use MX 18). Probably I need to have a physical touch of their machines to save my nerves and energies to upgrade their MX 18 to MX 19. How about the future ?
Seems that the critical point of MX Linux that does not allow to have a smooth upgrade remains system-shim.
Without having in mind to repeat discussions about system-shim in MX .... would be worthy to find a way ho to pass this glitch.

Sorry to bother again... but just to see possibilities or ideas for the future.

A MX Linux that starts with Systemd is fully functional ? No any problem at all ? If so, can some one starts MX Linux 18 in Systemd mode and upgrade MX to MX19 and remain with Systemd enabled ? Will be this a solution ?
In this case does not matter Systemd or not Systemd because is not To be or not To be....I do not care for this or for peoples opinion - at least Debian remains in Systemd and runs great ; OpenSuse runs Systemd and runs also great and .... authors of Systemd can improve it, let say in couple of months. This battle of being Systemd or not Systemd or system-Shim + Systemd for me seems like agony that needs a solution that will allow MX to have right approach for the future. The future of the distros as I see, aims rolling or at last having major upgrades more often.

With great respect for MX Linux team, devs and community. Sorry for bothering so much with my lines ,but I had not any bad intention in mind.

Last day I have experimented a lot with other distros . As I said. I want to recommend Linux to as much people I can, but first I should find the simplest way how to advice/help for upgrading of their system. As I said .... many people install Linux and they are not Linux enthusiast and have no intention to be.They just want to run a system in their laptop (free is possible, no viruses) and rest of the day .... to stick their fingers and mind on their smartphones .

Best to all.

[BitJam]

A MX Linux that starts with Systemd is fully functional ? No any problem at all ? If so, can some one starts MX Linux 18 in Systemd mode and upgrade MX to MX19 and remain with Systemd enabled ? Will be this a solution ?

I don't know if this is relevant to your question but currently the MX live system only uses sysvinit, not systemd. It would be possible to make it work with systemd but the systemd devs seem to have made this unnecessarily difficult and painful for no good reason. They created new "standards" that were unnecessarily constricting that conflicted with what we had been doing for many years before systemd was started. It would have been just as easy for them to make their system easy to interface with rather than as difficult as possible.

The systemd devs did not get kicked out of kernel development because they were nice, considerate, and easy to work with. They've been a royal pain in the neck, making things difficult for everyone else, for no good reason.

[asqwerth]

Best to wait for mx19 to be officially released. Maybe at that time, some of the devs will be freer to assess any possible upgrade path. Maybe,maybe not.

I also think the xfce 4.14 change is also a significant factor against easy upgrade. Besides differences in settings, configs for gtk3 stuff, Packages and plug-ins may not be 100% equivalent with 4.12. Names may change. New packages may exist that don't get automatically pulled in on an upgrade. Old packages and plug-ins may be deprecated and not updated for 4.14.

Really, it's not doing your friends any favors to try to upgrade them from mx18 to mx19 with just a repo change. Mx18 is supported to 2022. If it works why change now?

Wait a while for assessment to happen first.

[JayM]

@penguin: As groovy as MX-19RC1 is, and MX-19's official released version is sure to be, I would recommend to your friends that they wait a while until the MX-19.1 point release is out, and just continue using 18.3 in the meantime. It's like a new version of Windows: wise people wait to upgrade until at least SP1 has been released for the new version, and meanwhile let the first adopters who can't wait identify and deal with the wee bugs and glitches.

Of course this is a matter of "do what I say, not as I do" because I just installed 19RC1 on my entire drive this morning,, but that was just my own decision which has a backstory (more hardware issues.) :(

[penguin]

Thanks guys. I good point. Let's wait for MX 19.1, but also support till 2022, is a very good deal. At least, they are my friends and not my babies . I can help them and show the path, but I can not continue for them all the time.