MX-19 Beta 3 Feedback

[Don_in_Vermont]

I am aware that 19.3 will not be upgradeable to final but want to make sure I can install Ancestris the proper way so at final all will go well.

[fossean]

I've noticed that the fan on my cpu cooler isn't speeding up properly when cpu is under load.

In MX beta 3 when I run stressapptest, the cpu temp. will peak at 67 celcius. The fan doesn't appear to accelerate. I have booted Windows to test it and the fan can be very clearly heard to speed up; when I run prime95 stress test, the fan holds the cpu temp. at precisely 45 celcius as set in the BIOS (see screenshot).

The cooler is quite a beefy aftermarket addition with a big fan that shouldn't struggle to keep the temperature well below what I'm seeing in MX, so it would be good to fix this!

edit: looking at the info below, it seems that MX is mis-identifying the cpu fan as fan-1. The cpu: 0 reading is incorrect (I've opened the case to check). I imagine this can be fixed, but I don't want to break my system before asking the experts.

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System:    Host: mx Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-6-amd64 
           root=UUID=baaf804d-1179-4f05-acf7-4137d2ab017b ro quiet splash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-19beta-3_x64 patito feo September 22  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: MSI model: 760GA-P43(FX) (MS-7699) v: 1.0 serial: <filter> 
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: 1.3 date: 10/14/2014 
CPU:       Topology: 6-Core model: AMD FX-6300 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Bulldozer 
           family: 15 (21) model-id: 2 stepping: N/A microcode: 6000852 L2 cache: 2048 KiB 
           flags: avx lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 41999 
           Speed: 1434 MHz min/max: 1400/3500 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1460 
           2: 1521 3: 1400 4: 1400 5: 1400 6: 1399 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass 
           mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
           Type: spectre_v2 
           mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] vendor: ZOTAC driver: nvidia v: 418.74 
           bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1c02 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: nvidia 
           unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060 3GB/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 418.74 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: AMD SBx00 Azalia vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:14.2 chip ID: 1002:4383 
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP106 High Definition Audio vendor: ZOTAC driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 10de:10f1 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-6-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
           vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel port: c800 bus ID: 02:00.0 
           chip ID: 10ec:8168 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.49 TiB used: 94.77 GiB (6.2%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1ER162 size: 931.51 GiB block size: 
           physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> 
           rev: CC45 scheme: MBR 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD6400AAKS-22A7B2 size: 596.17 GiB 
           block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 3B01 
           scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 27.94 GiB size: 27.38 GiB (97.98%) used: 8.92 GiB (32.6%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda5 
           ID-2: /home raw size: 383.58 GiB size: 376.55 GiB (98.17%) used: 85.85 GiB (22.8%) 
           fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 488.0 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda6 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0 C mobo: 37.0 C gpu: nvidia temp: 42 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-1: 666 fan-3: 0 gpu: nvidia fan: 56% 
           Voltages: 12v: N/A 5v: N/A 3.3v: 3.36 vbat: 3.25 
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/buster buster main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list 
           1: deb http://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:      Processes: 246 Uptime: 6m Memory: 15.66 GiB used: 1.71 GiB (10.9%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

I used Psensor to monitor my temps, but several sensors were missing - after running sudo sensors-detect, the driver f71882fg was added to /etc/modules.

I suspect that fan1 is my cpu fan; the speed does ramp up under load, but not enough to maintain the temprature specified in BIOS settings. I wonder if it is linked to motherboard temp rather than CPU temp?

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$ sensors
f71868a-isa-0e80
Adapter: ISA adapter
+3.3V:        +3.38 V  
in1:          +1.16 V  
in2:          +0.00 V  
in3:          +0.86 V  
in4:          +0.00 V  
in5:          +1.29 V  
in6:          +1.11 V  
3VSB:         +3.39 V  
Vbat:         +3.25 V  
5VSB:         +5.04 V  
fan1:         669 RPM
fan2:           0 RPM  ALARM
fan3:           0 RPM  ALARM
temp1:        +34.0°C  (high = +255.0°C, hyst = +251.0°C)  ALARM (CRIT)
                       (crit = +255.0°C, hyst = +251.0°C)  sensor = transistor
temp2:        +49.0°C  (high = +255.0°C, hyst = +249.0°C)  ALARM
                       (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = +94.0°C)  sensor = thermistor
temp3:        +29.0°C  (high = +255.0°C, hyst = +253.0°C)  ALARM (CRIT)
                       (crit = +255.0°C, hyst = +253.0°C)  sensor = transistor

fam15h_power-pci-00c4
Adapter: PCI adapter
power1:       86.26 W  (crit =  94.99 W)

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:        +20.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)
                       (crit = +70.0°C, hyst = +68.0°C)

[chrispop99]

I am aware that 19.3 will not be upgradeable to final but want to make sure I can install Ancestris the proper way so at final all will go well.

I've asked for it to be added as I will need it myself. I'm sure if it can be done, the packaging team will do it.

Chris

[fossean]

I've noticed that the fan on my cpu cooler isn't speeding up properly when cpu is under load.

O.K., I think the 'problem' is actually one of my own making. Due to the extra transparency of the Linux OS, I've been confusing the CPU sensor with the CPU diode. I booted Windows again and checked in Aida64 and HWiNFO -- under load, I now see the same temps, with CPU at 67 C and CPU diode at 45 C. After a bit of research I now think the CPU sensor is inaccurate; it's supposed to measure the temp at the heat spreader, but is affected by the heat from the proximity of the VRM.

So, apologies if anyone got distracted by my post. If anything, MX seems to manage high loads better than Windows, with significantly less fan noise.

[yonosoyesa]

I'm trying MX19 beta3. I can't install mailwatch plugin for the panel. Synaptic gives this (for me) criptic message...

xfce4-mailwatch-plugin:
Depends: xfce-panel (<4.13) but 4.14.1-1-mx19+1 is to be installed

... and then deselects the plugin so it's impossible to install.

Before I installed clipman plugin with no problem.

[Jerry3904]

Not really cryptic: that plugin you tried to install has not been ported to Xfce 4.14. I did a web search on "debian xfce4-mailwatch-plugin" and downloaded and installed the version in the next Debian version (Bullseye). It installed fine on MX-19 beta, and I'm waiting to see if it actually works.

Yes it does.

[JayM]

FYI I reinstalled 19b3 yesterday and this time didn't install Nvidia drivers, and just kept it at nouveau which has a working opengl renderer.. VLC plays videos and guvcview runs.

If anyone can point me toward any particular log files that might show why the renderer is "N/A" in inxi -G with the Nvidia driver installed, I can reinstall it and check the log(s) for clues. Or maybe someone with a spare desktop PC and an old Nvidia card in their junk box can test it and see if they get the same results? Or maybe any Nvidia card would work for testing if the installer offers the 340 driver in a list of choices?

[figueroa]

XFCE-14 packages just became stable in Gentoo. I experienced quite by accident that many panel items were darkly grayed out until I activated the compositor. I'm a minimalist and hadn't activated the compositor for many years. I haven't tried MX-19 Beta yet, but some of you are might check that out. Is the compositor on by default (Window Manager Tweaks). In 18.3 compositing is off by default, but I have it turned on after installation.

[JayM]

I installed b3 on my 32-bit netbook in a dual-boot configuration with Win7. Grub was able to detect Windows with no problem and they both boot. 19 is fast! Faster than either 18 or Windows 7 anyway.

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System:    Host: mx19b3-386 Kernel: 4.19.0-6-686-pae i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-6-686-pae 
           root=UUID=d68cb09c-5fac-4a80-9d37-f200289f42df ro quiet splash 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: MX-19beta-3_386 patito feo October 3  2019 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Machine:   Type: Other-vm? System: AVERATEC product: N1130 v: N/A serial: <filter> 
           Chassis: No Enclosure type: 1 serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: AVERATEC model: N1130 serial: <filter> BIOS: Phoenix 
           v: NAPA0001.86C.0056.D.0907311757 date: 07/31/09 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 65.3 Wh condition: 65.3/65.4 Wh (100%) volts: 65.5/N/A 
           model: AVERATEC N1130 type: Li-ion serial: N/A status: Full 
CPU:       Topology: Single Core model: Intel Atom N270 bits: 32 type: MT arch: Bonnell 
           family: 6 model-id: 1C (28) stepping: 2 microcode: 218 L2 cache: 512 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 bogomips: 6385 
           Speed: 1078 MHz min/max: 800/1600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 804 2: 907 
           Vulnerabilities: Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
           Type: mds status: Not affected 
           Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
           Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v1 status: Not affected 
           Type: spectre_v2 status: Not affected 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:27ae 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1024x600~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 18.3.6 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:27d8 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-6-686-pae 
Network:   Device-1: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 
           port: 18e0 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 1814:3090 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet driver: r8169 
           v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8136 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 111.79 GiB used: 4.92 GiB (4.4%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Gigabyte model: GP-GSTFS31120GNTD size: 111.79 GiB block size: 
           physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: <unknown> serial: <filter> rev: 61.3 
           scheme: MBR 
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 52.02 GiB size: 50.96 GiB (97.95%) used: 4.92 GiB (9.7%) fs: ext4 
           dev: /dev/sda3 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 3.02 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap swappiness: 15 (default 60) 
           cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda4 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/buster buster main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 168 Uptime: 19m Memory: 1.90 GiB used: 536.9 MiB (27.6%) Init: SysVinit 
           v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 
           running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36 

[Charon]

I tried installing MX beta 2 or 3 on the ssd and found the following - if before was installed *buntu, then the partition "/home" (ext4) is visible and saved when formatting other partitions.
If I reinstall the system on itself with the formatting of the partitions "/" and "/root", the system writes that the partition "/home" can't be detected and formats it as well.
By itself data is not saved on it (I have to restore everything from backup).
But when I installing *buntu instead of MX, I can properly format both partitions ("boot" and "/") and save the data in the partition "/home"
The disk, of course, is not encrypted in all cases.