How many people using Windows 10 in here?

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Re: How many people using Windows 10 in here?

#51 Post by AK-47 »

I am tempted to buy Windows Server 2019 Essentials just to avoid the mandatory update fiasco, but I must confirm with Microsoft that updates aren't pushed as aggressively as Windows 10. I really don't need Windows for much these days other than fiddling with devices that rely on software that needs Windows.

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i think a lot of apps will start putting out linux-installable versions - I would suggest appimages. They dont have to be free. Adobe for instance.
It feels almost like MS has lost interest in Windows for the "folks". Its more interested in Corporate, Cloud business.
And the product - Win 10 - is shockingly bad. I am actually amazed anyone would voluntarily actually pay money for it.
As consumers move away from Windows, and MS focuses on Cloud services - these pricey app makers like Adobe - will have to make a decision.

Windows advocates who confidently point to the large market share etc - are whistling in the dark. The legs are being sawed off, and a 50% market share can go to 5% in a very short period .

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#53 Post by JayM »

Around a year or so ago I bought an Asus Zenbook sub-notebook from my sister-in-law when she needed the money. It had a Core i7 dual-core, dual-threaded CPU, 12GB DDR3-1600 RAM, 1TB HDD. etc. and Windows 10 Home along with Asus' bloatware. Man, was it slow! I ran Win10 long enough to look at it then used Clonezilla to make an image of it for posterity and installed Linux. Ah! Much better! Nice and fast.

I ran Linux-only, no dual-boot, in UEFI mode for about 9 months then I needed the money, so I put Win10 back on it and sold it for what I paid for it. I was tempted to leave Linux on it but in the Philippines everyone wants Windows for some reason (except the buyer, who planned to install OSX.) So to answer the OP's question, we've been Windows-free here since about 2012 or 2013. Linux all the way.
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Re: How many people using Windows 10 in here?

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rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmi think a lot of apps will start putting out linux-installable versions - I would suggest appimages. They dont have to be free. Adobe for instance.
It feels almost like MS has lost interest in Windows for the "folks". Its more interested in Corporate, Cloud business.
And the product - Win 10 - is shockingly bad. I am actually amazed anyone would voluntarily actually pay money for it.
As consumers move away from Windows, and MS focuses on Cloud services - these pricey app makers like Adobe - will have to make a decision.
Given the number of times "the year of the Linux desktop" has been predicted (whenever a version of Windows is about to go end-of-life) I think this is unfortunately a pipe dream. Consumers couldn't care less about operating systems, they just want a computer for the internet, the facebook, the google, the email, the Word, the Excel, and the Outlook. It doesn't matter how bad the Windows shenanigans will be, consumers don't care that much. I know people that still want Windows 10 despite all the bad stuff they know about it, because it's Windows and they use it at work so are used to it.
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmWindows advocates who confidently point to the large market share etc - are whistling in the dark. The legs are being sawed off, and a 50% market share can go to 5% in a very short period .
Either that, or they can see that the legs are being sanded off rather than sawed off. The only things that will reduce the Windows market share to the level you're suggesting at this stage, will be either regulatory interference from the US government, or Microsoft themselves pulling the plug. Guess how likely either one of those things is to happen.

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Re: How many people using Windows 10 in here?

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AK-47 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:02 pm
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmWindows advocates who confidently point to the large market share etc - are whistling in the dark. The legs are being sawed off, and a 50% market share can go to 5% in a very short period .
Either that, or they can see that the legs are being sanded off rather than sawed off. The only things that will reduce the Windows market share to the level you're suggesting at this stage, will be either regulatory interference from the US government, or Microsoft themselves pulling the plug. Guess how likely either one of those things is to happen.
If M$ ever decides to go to a subscription model for their Windows licensing, where you don't own your own OS, you merely rent it, that may drive a percentage of users away, toward either Linux, BSD or OSX. Most of the rest will either find a way to use pirated license keys or just pony up the cash every month or year. A few might even stop using their computers and go outside, read books, and go to movies, plays and concerts I suppose, like we used to do decades ago before there were home computers and the Internet.
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The subject makes me squirm.

I have custody of the homeowner's association laptop that has Windows 10 for running QuickBooks. Windows 10 is the worst OS experience ever. On a super fast laptop it's like slogging through molasses. Arghhhh. On the same computer, MX boots in 10 seconds from a USB 2.0 flash drive and totally flies.

I have Vista on an old laptop and I only keep it to update my Garmin GPS.

I have XP in a VirtualBox VM to use QuickBooks to occasionally review a school's books. That works fine. The school also uses XP in a VM to run QuickBooks on one computer. I converted the school from Windows XP to Linux 13 years ago.

Otherwise, I'm MS free. For personal use, I only use Linux. I haven't had a Windows partition of any kind for at least 10 years.
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#57 Post by duane »

I am not using windows 10 at all, only Linux here but Microsoft sent me a message this morning about a windows 10 upgrade via google on my android phone. I kinda thought that was insulting. But I do have an old windows 7 install on an old computer just don't use it. Hmm.
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If it has a link in the message it could be a scam. Microsoft doesn't cold-call people, and I've never received any messages like that.

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AK-47 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:02 pm
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmi think a lot of apps will start putting out linux-installable versions - I would suggest appimages. They dont have to be free. Adobe for instance.
It feels almost like MS has lost interest in Windows for the "folks". Its more interested in Corporate, Cloud business.
And the product - Win 10 - is shockingly bad. I am actually amazed anyone would voluntarily actually pay money for it.
As consumers move away from Windows, and MS focuses on Cloud services - these pricey app makers like Adobe - will have to make a decision.
Given the number of times "the year of the Linux desktop" has been predicted (whenever a version of Windows is about to go end-of-life) I think this is unfortunately a pipe dream. Consumers couldn't care less about operating systems, they just want a computer for the internet, the facebook, the google, the email, the Word, the Excel, and the Outlook. It doesn't matter how bad the Windows shenanigans will be, consumers don't care that much. I know people that still want Windows 10 despite all the bad stuff they know about it, because it's Windows and they use it at work so are used to it.
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmWindows advocates who confidently point to the large market share etc - are whistling in the dark. The legs are being sawed off, and a 50% market share can go to 5% in a very short period .
Either that, or they can see that the legs are being sanded off rather than sawed off. The only things that will reduce the Windows market share to the level you're suggesting at this stage, will be either regulatory interference from the US government, or Microsoft themselves pulling the plug. Guess how likely either one of those things is to happen.
Thats probably what GM was saying in 1975. Those Japanese cars are toy-autos ( hahaha). As they went about adding tail-fins and stuff to crappy cars. This stuff takes a while. But the decline will be inexorable.

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Re: How many people using Windows 10 in here?

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rs55 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm
AK-47 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:02 pm
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmi think a lot of apps will start putting out linux-installable versions - I would suggest appimages. They dont have to be free. Adobe for instance.
It feels almost like MS has lost interest in Windows for the "folks". Its more interested in Corporate, Cloud business.
And the product - Win 10 - is shockingly bad. I am actually amazed anyone would voluntarily actually pay money for it.
As consumers move away from Windows, and MS focuses on Cloud services - these pricey app makers like Adobe - will have to make a decision.
Given the number of times "the year of the Linux desktop" has been predicted (whenever a version of Windows is about to go end-of-life) I think this is unfortunately a pipe dream. Consumers couldn't care less about operating systems, they just want a computer for the internet, the facebook, the google, the email, the Word, the Excel, and the Outlook. It doesn't matter how bad the Windows shenanigans will be, consumers don't care that much. I know people that still want Windows 10 despite all the bad stuff they know about it, because it's Windows and they use it at work so are used to it.
rs55 wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 9:19 pmWindows advocates who confidently point to the large market share etc - are whistling in the dark. The legs are being sawed off, and a 50% market share can go to 5% in a very short period .
Either that, or they can see that the legs are being sanded off rather than sawed off. The only things that will reduce the Windows market share to the level you're suggesting at this stage, will be either regulatory interference from the US government, or Microsoft themselves pulling the plug. Guess how likely either one of those things is to happen.
Thats probably what GM was saying in 1975. Those Japanese cars are toy-autos ( hahaha). As they went about adding tail-fins and stuff to crappy cars. This stuff takes a while. But the decline will be inexorable.
Run by MBAs and Finance types, the US auto industry in the 1970s - was fat-dumb-and happy. Focus on the furniture you want for your corner office, golf at 3 pm, life is good. Get the MBAs to figure out what doodad consumers want the most - chrome plated ashtrays?
Until - it imploded.

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